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Refused: Re-issues

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by Mat Hocking
Influencing just about every modern rock band worth their salt Sweden’s Refused are pretty much the first and last word in progressive hardcore-punk. Very few bands have attempted to utterly smash the boundaries constricting the flow of creativity in this field more than this far-left leaning Umea-based quartet, and they know it only too well. “Punk is the most conservative musical form there is…” voices frontman Dennis Lyxzén on their website. “Even in hardcore there are so many rules about what is and what is not acceptable, and that completely negates the whole spirit of the original idea.” Such concerns have fuelled their output since their inception and thankfully, at a time when the words punk and hardcore are fast becoming synonymous with the mainstream, Burning Heart have chosen to re-issue their three albums, reminding us all about what the ‘punk’ label truly stands for.

Emerging at a time in the mid-nineties when the ideology of punk first appeared to be drowning in a swamp of commercialism, Refused were a band who stood by its key values of individuality and independence both musically and politically. Formed out of the cultural vacuum provided by a society with no real sense of art or humane politics, they were held together by a fervent determination to rise above conformity, challenging the orthodox and rebelling against a hardcore scene which was gradually selling out these ideals in favour of formulaic nostalgia trips.

Although by their standards Refused’s early tracks sound like mere slabs of uninspiring hardcore, when you actually listen to this collection of early EPs on ‘E.P. Comp CD’ (bizarrely re-issued minus ten recordings available on the original pressing) the quality is seriously good enough to lift them above most of the current major players. And despite most Refused fans refusing to even acknowledge its existence, lined up against such mid-nineties peers like Biohazard and Born Against it’s more than apparent how easy it would’ve been for them to pursue that formulaic route, the tracks bulging with enough pit-stomping muscle to guarantee a high-billing on an Eastpak Resistance or Warped Tour had they been just recently released.

But for these Swedes it wasn’t enough.

It was only on ‘Songs to Fan The Flames of Discontent’ that they were to start finding their feet and the album opened with a fiery statement of intent: “I’d rather be dead than alive by your social values / I’d rather be dead than alive by your tradition”, screamed Lyxzén on the album opener ‘Rather Be Dead’. It was a visceral, heart-pounding energy that carried on throughout the album, the following track ‘Coup d’Etat’ bustling with high-energy grooves that shift and slide around electrifying rhythms, raging guitars and a fierce polemical bite. Such a style would later be incorporated into the creative mindset of scene-breakers Snapcase, Snot and Amen yet, as adventurous as it was at the time, it took a radical overhaul of their sound to achieve the level of experimentation that ‘The Shape of Punk To Come’ was to present a year later.

After five years of toil and inner tension it was with this immense 12-track swansong that Refused finally came into their own. Explosive, complex and ultimately revolutionary it’s a shattering foray into futuristic hardcore innovation, each track seemingly soldered with all manner of samples and electro glitches that was far too audacious for the hardcore fraternity of the time. Which probably goes some way in explaining why it was for the most part overlooked and shunned by the mainstream, but, like other such bands, it was only after their demise that they were to become recognised by pretty much every musician in the field of progressive heavy music – from Deftones to Minus and even Metallica– as one of the most important bands of the 20th Century.

Just take ‘Poetry Written In Gasoline’ as it beautifully melds freeform jazz with a frittering aggression while ‘New Noise’ - as voracious and dynamic a track you’ll ever hear from a modern rock band – pounds the speakers with a splintering post-modernist mix of sounds.

A gloriously defiant statement of independence ‘The Shape of Punk To Come’ is a timeless insurrectionary masterpiece and, once again, an earth-shattering wake-up call to the hardcore-punk movements of today.

  • Refused 8 / 10

Well done, you've missed the point

Sorry to get post-modern on yo asses, but this is not "timeless", nor was it intended to be. No music is. Not even the Beatles, however much people try to argue. That's exactly what Refused were trying to point out: "they say the classics never go out of style, but they do...". They were tried to disrupt the hegemony of the traditional transcendental aesthetic, and people's attitudes about "taste" and "genre". This album was the apotheosis of that, so they broke up at their peak - they didn't want to stagnate. I still like this album more than almost any other, but I'll go off it one day. I don't think Refused would approve of anybody saying it was "good" or giving it a mark out of five.

Re: Well done, you've missed the point

Whatever they say doesn't matter since they've, to all intents and purposes, disowned it all anyway. Like you say, they broke at their peak. I think music CAN be timeless if it genuinely stands out as a pioneering record. SOPTC was pioneering. Timeless doesn't necessarily mean that you'll like it forever, more that it'll continue to be discovered by younger and younger fans, a la The Beatles, a la Nirvana, etc etc etc... whether Refused like it or not. Whatever, they're 'fuckin' dead' after all...

Re: Well done, you've missed the point

ive heard meatloaf was timeless on a music documentary about top records. bat out of hell that is,

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Yep, Mike's right. 'How many records from the 70s do young people still pick up and get into to? Not that many. Black Sabbath perhaps, or maybe Jimi Hendrix? I should imagine most parents have stopped listening to their dusty Sabbath vinyls but the music is timeless because no matter what style or trend is flavour of the day young people can still tap into their music.

Whether or not I'll personally be listening to Refused in ten years time I'm sure that very few other 'hardcore' or 'punk' acts will be making music anywhere near as challenging as Refused. It was very much ahead of its time and, as such, stands out in a league of its own. That is what makes it so timeless, that its content and its message will never be outdated.

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sorry to break up the party, but if you think refused were challenging or pioneering then you need to check your head. seriously.

a few hardcore riffs interspersed with some crap electronic parts wrapped up in some pseudo revolutionist artwork, does not make something pioneering.

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True about pioneering, but no musicians are pioneering anyway - everyone borrows what they need from whatever they like and mixes them. When they're mixed in a way that's not been heard (much) before, it sounds pioneering, although, in fairness, it's just clever exploitation. Refused, like I've already said, will remain timeless in terms of being constantly rediscovered by an ever-growing scene, but, like Mr Younger says, they were never breaking any overly new ground. They were clever boys who looked beyond the established boundaries of the scene/genre they were shoehorned into, and for that they deserve acclaim. Love them or loath them, they were rarely boring, and SOPTC still makes me dance. I mean, come on... if you DON'T feel the urge to throw yourself off something tall when you hear "Can I SCREAM!?" then you don't know you're alive.

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i actually went through a period of jumping off a chair literalkly every time i listened to that break.
literally.
in lessons on my md player also.

sorry about the length of this. i get carried away

Fuck, me too. Bed though - my chair is a bit too unstable and you get more bounce. Great minds.

I'll no doubt be seen as picky, and I don't mean to take away from a review, and subsequent discussion by Mike that I largely agree with. I love this album. Or rather, and this sounds silly I know, but I like the feeling the album gives me rather than the album itself. I know this sounds like an old argument, but I continue to find it upsetting that a place in the musical canon is still widely regarded as the height of success. Unfortunately, those musicians that don't get deleted and forgotten by all but a few hardcore fans, by definition, tends to consist of what to my ears is watered down boredom-on-wax rather than genuine experimentalism. However, I'd argue that, much more than the result of corporate cynicism, this situation is the product of the "classic" credentials placed on certain acts by lazy music critics who are unable to get a long-term picture of their role in shaping the music industry, have a painfully tame taste in music, and are willing to swallow outdated, conservative ideas about "culture" and "taste". This isn't just bad for individual artists, but bad for musical innovation in general - if it doesn't sell, because the right people don't shout about it, musicians are forced to compromise or give up.

This site is often a welcome exception in its anti-mainstream stance, but even so, virtually every available publication, even those that are supposed to be "radical" keep up this pretence that there's such a thing as "objectively good" or "classic" music. I'm sure we all find ourselves doing it, but it is, honestly, bollocks. Though Refused specifically claimed to share this point of view, they still gabble on about 1960s and 70s French philosophers as if it makes their message more credible, and seem to base everything they say in their "communiques" on early 20th century Frankfurt School Critical Theory, which is for the most part hysterical, hostile and contemptuous, and relies on so many unrealistic "revolutionary" mantras that it turns out as a mirror image of conservatism. This is why, though I enjoy Refused's music, I've always seen them as faintly comical faux-radicals.

See the Observer Music Magazine's latest 100 British records of all time. I assume anybody reading this site will think the magazine is shit anyway, but when you think about it, the idea of being able to lump creative activity spanning large periods of time, and wildly different circumstances into one category, "music", and then placing it in order of "greatness" is nonsensical conservative bullshit. Each time you get the same old things pulled out from under the bed: The Stone Roses, The Beatles, The Smiths: "safe" choices for people who have no desire to go out and find new, exciting sounds. This is all just conservatism masquerading as "cool": reassurance for people who want to be comfortable that they are listening to, and copying, the "right" music. The point is that suggesting that people can't be blamed for this does not mean we shouldn't try to change it. As far as I'm concerned, the Beatles, through no real fault of their own, terminally damaged the music industry as much as they revolutionised it, because Beatlemania really consolidated the arbitrary, hype-driven, reactionary, retrospective religion that "popular culture" has become: "cool", "good" or "true" is always just another type of dogma. The reason this is so virulent is that there is no corporate conspiracy, it is simply the cumulative effect of an endless series of acts of inculcation and complacency.

I'm just worried about Refused turning into the very thing they would have hated - a band whose name people brandish as a badge of credibility. They had always seemed to be an exception to this. On the other hand, I'll have to hear Born Against before deciding whether they Refused were rip-off merchants, but you also have to realise that refusing to like Refused just because they were influenced by earlier artists that you've heard of and others haven't (and this isn't an accusation against anybody in particular, but something I find myself doing) is as affected and shallow as borrowing taste from a magazine.

One of the best ways that websites like this can fight the hierarchy and inertia in creative activity is by trying not to maintain the fiction of "timeless music". The obsession with the timelessness and greatness of certain artists genuinely impedes the process of musical innovation. Different types of music are listened to for different reasons, and go in and out of fashion, and personally see no point in even comparing them - just tell people what they sound like, how they make YOU feel, and what relation they have to the music industry and creative processes in general. There is still plenty to talk about without maintaining the mythology of transcendent "goodness" or encouraging people to rank things.

Rant over.

I am listen Refused. It is nice.

Re: Well done, you've missed the point

Some things change.
Other things don't.
Luke Younger is still a complete and utter elitist, clueless dickhead. Hoorah.

Re: Well done, you've missed the point

i bought/"got" a sabbath 7" last week.
i am going to cover iron man in a folktronic stylee.

and hendrix was way more 60s

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Sorry to rattle on, but this "softer" use of the word "timeless" just describes another unhelpful side-effect of the process which drives the music industry, rather than something "real" or to be welcomed on a long-term basis. People thrive on the reassurance they get from dogma. Individual people continue to listen to certain things that they have always listened to, say, the Beatles, because when they get older, they don't have the time or inclination to listen to new music, and they are continually reassured by unimaginative journalists that this is what they "should" be listening to. People listen to the journalists from their own social milieu, that they already agree with, then take this agreement as proof that their views are objectively "correct". Hence Beatles records don't get deleted and a new generation "discovers" them and people continue to base new music on them. Its a relentless vicious circle whereby assumptions are constantly confirmed for the wrong reasons and creativity is always stifled.

Personally, I now find Nirvana almost unlistenable, but this is not a comment on how "good" they are, just that I, personally, don't like them anymore. I have no problem with people not liking the same things as me, but I do have a problem with the inflation of culture into a kind of pernicious religion which is so pervasive that people don't know they are practising it, and even try and defend it when people are trying to make their lives easier by undermining it. The reason it is so pervasive is that there is nobody that is "right" or "stupid", but the myth that they are comes at us from all angles: we are taught it in school, by our parents, by politicians, and even most of the social theorists who ultimately feed them, because nobody has thought of a genuinely new philosophical paradigm since the 19th century! It's all bullshit. "Art" is no more "real" than "God", and in the words of Miocene, "tradition is just another name for the collective habit."

I know people mistake this view for "postmodernism", or even nihilism (it's neither), but I don't see the point of trying to put objective labels onto anything (note the distinction between a name and an "objective"/"true" state of affairs - this is the problem of left-wing politics: social fundamentalism). Far be it from me to tell what people to like or dislike. The point is that we shouldn't confuse a perfectly legitimate commitment to relativism in taste with the satisfaction that we are all "right".

What I'm ultimately talking about is having concern for the long term ability of musicians to do what they want and make a living from it, without having to make the choice between compromising because of corporate constraints, or remaining in obscurity and/or poverty, and a society in which people don't have this constant anxiety over whether or not they are listening to "the right" music.

Don't even dare deny it. If you didn't have it you wouldn't be reading this website.

Refused - Re-issues

I don't care if now is the time for everyone to be jumping on the 'Refused are legendary' bandwagon or not, but this truly is one of the greatest albums ever. Nice review.

Refused - Re-issues

I got The Shape of Punk To Come after stumbling across the video of New Noise on MTV last year - and I've listened to it regularly ever since. In its genre (a genre that the album constantly re-invents and subverts) it has no equals. I get very evangelical about it when recommending it to people.

Refused - Re-issues

saw SOPTC it in selectadisc t'other day in *3* different packages.
stick it to the man, you crazy lefties.

would love to hear it on SACD tho.

and has "this just might be the truth" been reissued? totally agree with matt about the early stuff.

Refused - Re-issues

They're good, but for left-leaning punk action, it has to be Born Against for me... now they WERE awesome

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exactly, born against wern't trying to be something they wern't either - they just took themselves at face value. and fucking ruled too.

Refused - Re-issues

Refused were and I guess judging by all this still are ridiculously overrated. They ripped off Born Against completely, cleaning all the rough edges making it more palatable, and to call them peers greatly discredits BA. And a timeless masterpiece of the 20th century?? I don’t think it compares to White Light/White Heat, Bitches Brew, What’s Going On, Three Feet High And Rising, Fun House etc etc. Even in hardcore its not a standard bearer like Damaged or the early Dischord stuff. And i don't imagine any truly great band of the future will take inspiration from it. The fact that all the vocals on TSOPTC were pasted together with pro tools and that Dennis is now in the International Noise Conspiracy also leaves a bit of a sour taste in the mouth.

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This opinion is exactly the kind of pompous conservatism-masquerading-as-in-depth-musical-knowledge-and-anti-mainstreamism that I'm talking about. Its all still about name dropping. Grow up.

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the early dischord stuff that was EXACTLY bad brains done by white guys and cleaned up with good production?
fucking love it all the same.

Refused - Re-issues

Chiaroscuro, I think anyone on this site is prone to a bit of name-dropping, aren't they?

Maybe we should ask why have you typed several long screeds on this subject. Is it because you want to be seen as an intellectual torch-keeper who has never indulged (and would never indulge) in something as churlish as name dropping?

Your comments have indeed been extremely valuable and wonderfully erudite, and personally I thank you for that. However, you have shot yourself in the foot by whipping around on others who have different comments than your own (such as your petty 'grow up' comment). If some of the people here have an agenda that consists of 'name dropping', what is YOUR agenda? And what in hell makes it more valid?

It's a music site, Chiaroscuro. People are always gonna name drop, puffing out their chests in an attempt to be an avatar of musical knowledge/taste. But surely this is part of the fun, non? I mean, if no-one indulged in name dropping, you would have no real context in which to place some of your earlier rants.

In short, if some on this board need to grow up, you certainly need to relax a little. Don't be so suspicious of people.

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Chiaroscuro, I think anyone on this site is prone to a bit of name-dropping, aren't they?

Sure. Its just funny when people do nothing but name drop - as if it somehow comprises a coherent argument. I was really trying to expose the hypocrisy of Refused's position, but also suggest how this site might more productively follow their more useful suggestions, which most people pass over.


Maybe we should ask why have you typed several long screeds on this subject. Is it because you want to be seen as an intellectual torch-keeper who has never indulged (and would never indulge) in something as churlish as name dropping?

Yes you should ask. I don't especially want to be seen as anything. If I did I wouldn't be anonymous. I wrote long passages principally because I genuinely care about progressive politics, and the long term state of the music industry, and trying to encourage people make the situation better for everyone. This is for purely selfish reasons. If everybody else is happy, they will have no reason to piss me off. I also find writing things down allows me to get my ideas clearer in my head. If I could make the argument any shorter I would, but I get carried away. And of course I name drop, just not in places where people are knowledgeable enough to know I'm manipulating them, like this site! Believe it or not, despite appearing pretentious, I have no desire to insult people's intelligence. If you found it interesting or helpful, that's enough for me.


Your comments have indeed been extremely valuable and wonderfully erudite, and personally I thank you for that. However, you have shot yourself in the foot by whipping around on others who have different comments than your own (such as your petty 'grow up' comment). If some of the people here have an agenda that consists of 'name dropping', what is YOUR agenda? And what in hell makes it more valid?

It's a music site, Chiaroscuro. People are always gonna name drop, puffing out their chests in an attempt to be an avatar of musical knowledge/taste. But surely this is part of the fun, non? I mean, if no-one indulged in name dropping, you would have no real context in which to place some of your earlier rants.

Yeah, sure, of course. We're all hypocrites, me included. Valid criticism duly taken onboard. We all have our weaknesses, I don't pretend to be perfect. If I was, I'd be even more irritating. But when somebody is so clearly engaging in petty musical one-upmanship, I get frustrated. I really see no reason for it. Ultimately I'm trying to suggest that we would all be better served if we didn't feel we had to do it at all. Anybody has a right to an opinion, but answer me this, is it really that much fun to feel like you're constantly engaged in a kind of intellectual fight with other people? Surely only if you feel you've won the argument? If not, you have to go off and do some more frantic underground music revision, ready for your next battle of wits. If there's no argument to win, we might be able to learn something from each other.


In short, if some on this board need to grow up, you certainly need to relax a little. Don't be so suspicious of people.

This again sounds like a weird or evasive thing to say, but I'm much less suspicious of people than social processes that operate through people. Its not about personal sniping. I should have made this clearer. The phenomenon I'm trying to describe is something ultimately bigger than people themselves, that they partake of, rather than something that they can be blamed for. That is why you have consolidated the point I was trying to make - you've engaged in a dialogue with me, criticised me in a sensible and level headed way which doesn't resort to personal sniping or name dropping, we've learnt something from each other, and we're both happy. So no, I haven't shot myself in the foot. You get me?

Refused - Re-issues

brilliant band, brilliant album, you might get this from my username, anyway...

Refused - Re-issues

Wow - it's like The Late Review here, Chiaroscuro...

Yep, points taken on board - I'm glad that you have explained yourself in order to clarify. And I agree with pretty much everything you say.

Wonderful

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Shit me, that was easier than I thought. Like the Late Review, except without Germaine Greer, Tom Paulin or Mark Kermode engaging in empty sophistry or shovelling dirty dirty rhetorical coal into their furious ego-furnaces.

Refused - Re-issues

Well, yes. Late Review minus the self-aggrandisement. We've proved we are proper adults here - no mud-slinging in the name of criticism. I can almost feel the love in this room.

And in particular, no Tom Paulin saying 'I heeeeyayted ut' in his languid yet enormously self-satisfied way. And, even more crucially, no Mark Lawson looking like an egg.

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is the late review where they slag off the killers etc before jools holland?
and cheers to chiaroscuro (sp perhaps?) for bothering to engage a decent discussion

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Thats the one. where they make up ever more ludicrous reasons why we still have to worship Damien Hirst for pickling cows heads. Look! This one has kitchen knives stuck in it! Now I'm convinced of his drunkenn...cough...I mean genius. Better set the video now while you remember.

Refused - Re-issues

And where words like 'somnambulance', 'verisimilitude' and 'floccinoccinihilipilification' are bandied about with gay abandon




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