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Pete Doherty: The Shambolic Waster
What is it about other people's misfortune that usually initiates a sudden arousal of public interest. Take the Manic Street Preachers for example. The band had more chance of selling ice to an eskimo when they were at their creative peak, then the main songwriter seemingly vanishes off the face of the earth and...hey presto!...they become international megastars. Then you've got the wannabe graverobbers, the ghouls who have to display a public sense of loss for someone they've never met yet feel the need to behave as though their own son or daughter has been taken away from them. This week has seen the untimely death of Brian Clough - a true maverick it has to be said in a profession of overpaid yes-men - and yet already over the past few days scenes of Princess Di-mania has hit the East Midlands. Which brings me onto the main subject of this piece, Peter Doherty.
Now I've not been the most vociferous of allies to this mythical concept of "Albion" that Doherty and his estranged buddy Carl Barat have been responsible for creating. In fact, having seen The Libertines just after 'What A Waster' came out my initial reaction was Clash tribute band steals Strokes' wardrobe - here today, gone tomorrow. But of course history, being the unceremonious bitch it sometimes is, has since proved me wrong.
The thing is, everything connected with Doherty just reeks of contrivance, from the burglary of Barat's flat to his stretch in prison and subsequent exit from the band, only for him to rejoin the day he gets released and walk straight outta the clink and onto a stage in Chatham for one of these so-called low profile "guerilla" gigs that every man and his dog somehow got wind of! Was it really worth going to all that trouble just to promote your new single? Particularly as 'Don't Look Back Into The Sun' stood out in its own right as the best thing the Libertines had recorded up to that point at any rate. Or maybe I'm just being overly cynical...
So it was with some trepidation that almost a year to the day, history decided it was going to repeat itself. Doherty's drug problems - well he is a rock star after all kids - suddenly became front page news, and lo and behold, with an album soon to be released and a number of high profile festival dates announced, he's out of the band again! Now what are we supposed to think? I mean, you wouldn't kick yourself out of your own band right, not when they are on the precipice of major league success. And to add intrigue to injury, at least half the tracks on the album seem to quite publicly condemn Doherty's self-destructive "condition" (listen to 'The Saga' or 'Road To Ruin' and tell me otherwise).
Which brings me onto the next bit. His "condition", his "state of mind", his "illness"...HIS FUCKING ILLNESS!!! The guy is a junkie for crying out loud. Nobody forced him to stock up on glass jars and aluminium foil. Nobody forced him to inhale the rockiest plantations of South East Asia and South America every day. Now lets get back to Brian Clough, apparently one of Doherty's heroes as it happens (more of which later). Sure he liked a drink or two, but he was struck down by the biggest 'C', not crack bloody cocaine, a real ailment. An incurable ailment. As are many others who would gladly swap their life threatening conditions for just a glimmer of the lifestyle Doherty appears to want to throw away like some spoilt brat hurling his rattle from his pram. And yet certain people who should know better seem to be spending most of their precious time hailing him as some musical Pied Piper whilst sending out the "Get well soon, Pete" messages like he's just gone into the Queens Medical Centre to have an appendix out! Open. Eyes. People. The guy's a junkie. Deal with it. It's time he did.
And so on to Tuesday night. Despite there being no real love lost between myself and The Libertines, curiosity got the better of me. The musical train wreck also known as Babyshambles came to town, although it only just made it on stage. A ramshackle outfit if ever I've seen one, where the ability to play in tune, never mind actually write one, can only be described as wishful thinking. Seven "songs" and half an hour later, it was all over, and after a couple of topples off the stage, the odd dedication to Cloughie, and a brief strip show from Doherty which revealed the exact horror show of his undernourished torso, and subsequently established just why I've little time for those who seemingly have everything on a plate yet would rather swap it for a spoon full of brown powder and a bunsen burner.
What a waster indeed. Never has a truer epitaph been written so autobiographically.
Words: Dom Gourlay
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Get well soon, Pete!
(sometimes I'm so clever I scare myself.) -
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nicely done dom, i'm really liking your writing at the moment. -
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Well written... but even frustrated and critical words are still column inches, which is what it all boils down to. while I don't think they have written any music that has soaked so far into popular culture that it will outlive them (much like the Manics), I think the Libertines really do BELIEVE in the romance of rock and roll, and that makes them relatively rare in this day and age of media/business savvy career musos, and perhaps that's why PD attracts the column inches... journos can see that he really does believe the hype, which makes him a rather tragic figure, worthy of sympathy.
This country is, and has always been permeated by a horrible snobbery... and people still seem to define themselves by who they are able to look up to and who they are able to look down on. While all around us can be found people who've lost the plot and descended into a spiral of addiction, and any person living on the street usually has a tragic story to tell... we are only interested in reading about it in the papers when it is someone 'famous' who has fallen from grace, so now instead of looking up to a 'celebrity', we can look down on them...
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i think every1 should group together and decide never to mention this prickend's name in public again. Literally never, ever again. A total ban on his name. If people have to write about the libertines fair enough - but no mention of this ridiculous prick. He is nto rock and roll - he is a prick. prick. prick. prick.
Nobody respond to this - as far as I am concerned there is no need for further comment -
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anyone would think hes the only musician who takes drugs the column inches he gets!!! they havent written an outstanding record yet either. so the appeal of him and his band is lost on me. -
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never a truer word spoken, well written! -
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Amen
>"Clash tribute band steals Strokes' wardrobe"
you get a gold star for that. -
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right you pompous muso twats who have to piss on anybody who recieves any mainstream attention.
1) many of you seem to have fallen into the trap of believing everything you read in the tabloids (while moaning about it being written at all! you all read the stories though don't you. hypocrites).
2)Being addicted to drugs does not necessarily make you a bad person. Do you genuinely know the reason PD uses hard drugs and how he fell into the habit? I certainly don't, and wouldn't want to judge people without the facts. Oh and btw you better give all those, hendrix,stones, beatles, dylan cd's back to mummy and daddy then if we're going to be all puritanical about drugs,
3)what on earth is wrong with being influenced by your favourite bands or artists? evry fucking artist in the world is, get over it.
the truth is the libertines are doing something right, and success breeds jealousy.
They are not the best band in the world, but they are certainly not the worst. They are certainly entertaining live, and no they are not the greatest musicians alive but lyrically i think they have a lot to offer.
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And this is why Libertines fans make me laugh.
This article isn't an attack by "pompous muso twats", or however you decide to put it - it's a call to wake the fuck up and stop elevating this man such a level for basically being nothing but an utter mess of a human being.
No, I don't know his reasons for starting in the first place - frankly, I don't care. There are plenty of examples of talented musicians ending up complete burnouts because of their "leisure activities" to make anyone with half a brain stay away from that activity, no matter what Alan McGee or the back-slapping morons that make up the NME might say or hint at. DRUGS ARE NOT COOL. DRUGS ARE NOT ROCK AND ROLL.
And I'm not getting puritanical about drug use - do what the fuck you want with your own body - I just resent glorification and glamourisation of such utter, utter moronic behavior. -
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This is a very good article. And as I see it, three groups are at fault:
1) The disgraceful hangers-on attracted to him like vultures in the desert. I read one story that friends of his invited him over when he was in rehab because Wolfman was getting married, but it was just to get him wasted again. Correct me if I got this wrong.
2) The press, for giving him the oxygen of publicity that has allowed it to continue. The NME are showing signs of getting bored with it now, but they should never have started. And now the tabloids are involved too.
3) Pete Doherty. I don't even need to say why, it's already well documented absolutely everywhere. -
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the truth is it's about the music and whether they are like clash or not it's been so long since we have had london band this good: like the sex pistols or the clash. To say pete is a mess is a fair comment to say the music shit is just DiS trying to go against a tide, and to say pete doherty is'nt a rockin roll icon despite the drug taking is just a bloke in denial. Libertines music is great (the americans are now starting to take notice completely through word of mouth, they seem to know a few things when it comes to good punk/rockin roll), Bilo is a rock god (not because he takes drugs, we all want him clean), it's because he has a presence and the songwriting that comes from genius. To people who are likely to say i don't know what i am talking about, I have seen babyshambles live only 3 days ago and when he came out to greet the crowd you felt like this guy has something. Yes he staged dived, yes he has a voice that can drift in and out of tune, but he also showed us why he will be known as the peoples rockin roll star. He asked the crowd for a light when he could easily have got it off his band, he wore hats which the audience through at him and he even gave the mic to someone in the first row to say what he wanted. While people like liam and noel pretend they are rock gods showing no emotion to the crowd looking like actors pete is everything they want to be and more. With fakes like oasis and kasabian it's nice to have someone like him, long live pete doherty i say. -
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i hate nme by the way for the coverage, and the fact thats the only reason your all slagging him off anyway -
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can't stand me now? Time for Heroes? Don't look back into the sun? Up the bracket? need i go on? -
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What is the point of this article?
I fucking hate The Libertines and the hysteria surrounding this berk as much as the next person who fucking hates The Libertines and the hysteria surrounding this berk, but do we REALLY need another discussion about how much we either hate or worship the man? -
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" to say the music shit is just DiS trying to go against a tide"
Methinks you'll find it's called an "opinion". -
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Pretty much how everyone feels Dom, fine article. But c'mon, cut the nonsense about Ollie Reed being remembered as nothing more than a drunk. He didn't waste his life at all. -
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and yet here you are discussing it. -
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no an mature opinion would be to say, "feh, it's not for me' Instead of taking a whole article to slag him off simply to outdo what ever NME said the week before -
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Good comment, when it comes down to it, if you like Libertines music and pete as a liricist then you will like everything to do with libertines including babyshambles. If you don't like the libertines then all that is left is what you read about the drugs and robberys in the papers. which makes you hate them and hate him. He is a waster, but so was kieth moon but he is still seen as a legend -
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>i hate nme by the way for the coverage, and the fact thats the only reason your all slagging him off anyway
No it isn't.
And if you like their music (and I do), then it's in his best interest that people write articles suggesting that the soap opera needs to stop. Otherwise you won't be getting music from him in, say, five years' time, for reasons you don't want to think about. -
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Hehehe, provocative and good article.
Carl Barat seems like a decent bloke though, I have some sympathy for him being in the midst of all this. -
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*long live pete doherty i say*
I think the point is that he won't be living for much longer if he carries on like this...
I don't know much about the Libertines, but they have always reminded me a of later day Chaz and Dave...is that cool? hmm..
..other muscians such as Hendrix, Stones, Lou Reed may have all had drug 'issues' but surely they were content over style, and people heard of them because of their ability first not their addictions...
..and also, is any of it really real?
penith worth contributed.
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The Libertines do nothing for me. The Clash wearing Strokes clothes is spot on. They are boring indie throwbacks doing things that have been done. The question is, will the Libs get back together with the Libs and be a complete wanker, much like Oasis? Or will he dissappear into obscurity while the band go on to do some class albums songs live shows whatever, much like The Manics? Of course though, the Manics were good before Ritchie dissappeared. -
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The article came across as the work of an NME reject. Having seen Babyshambles at Newcastle last night I can say without any doubt that people love Pete Doherty, not because of the extended press coverage, but because he is a genuine star, grateful and courteous to his fans and a poet of the quality not seen in British music for a long, long time. The doubters are most definitely in denial. During the final song of Babyshamble's set last night, fans stormed the stage to mob Pete and it was impossible to ignore the sheer adoration that everyone present had for the man, he is a true rock'n'roll romantic. Of course, we all hope he gets clean, the drugs are not the fascination, but in a time when the music scene is awash with soulless posers, Pete is a breath of fresh air, good luck to him. Admittedly the tabloid "soap-opera" is utterly stupid, but since when was this Pete's fault? It is the press who are to blame. -
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i'm not a big libs fan, but i do like some of their stuff.. but let me just say this article is spot on. Incredibly well written. i'm amazed -
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I may be going against the grain here but I love this soap opera. Whatever happened to the sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll spirit? So many bands these days are (personality-wise) middle of the road, unexciting; coldplay or travis being the epitome of such. And yeah I like their music but any press about them is pretty dull. We don't have the same legends that they used to; where are our generations worth of Marc Bolans, Led Zeppelins, Jimi Hendrixes, Iggy Pops, David Bowies, Lou Reeds, Curt Kobains etc etc? We need those drug addled, unpredicatable, fucked up geniuses, that are so prominent in the history of the music we listen to. As someone else said, Pete Doherty and The Libertines believe the romance of rock 'n' roll and we need at least some people like that to keep it exciting. If they didn't make worthwile music no one would care, but they do make worthwhile music and they keep things interesting at the same time. It does it for me.
One point about the article (nicely written by the way) you accuse the soap opera of being all very contrived but then question "you wouldn't kick yourself out of your own band right, not when they are on the precipice of major league success." You also mention the guerilla gigging and ask "Was it really worth going to all that trouble just to promote your new single? Particularly as 'Don't Look Back Into The Sun' stood out in its own right as the best thing the Libertines had recorded up to that point at any rate." Surely these things suggest it isn't contrived? There's no sense to it is there, if they were trying so hard to be this way they'd time it all better. It's all too unpredictable, too spontaneous to be contrived.
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I'm in agreement with alphabetachacharlie. The great thing about the Libs is that they don't go all boring New-Age bland parent on us and create shit middle of the road bin fodder. They do have problems, and they make music more unpredictable and exciting, which in my humble opinion is great. And by the way they may not be the greatest band ever but they are pretty good. -
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>Whatever happened to the sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll spirit?
It's great until someone dies. Whilst I would never tell anyone what to do with their body, it's obvious when someone is clearly doing something very very wrong when they live their whole life in a manner as public as this. Loads of people do drugs and I'm not making any value judgments on them, but in Pete's case there is obviously a big problem, it needs to be resolved and it won't be resolved the way things are going at present. The only thing I can think of is the three-pointer in my post above. -
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i think pete has some serious potential...lyrically he's a very clever man, but he ain't doing his musical ability any favours currently. he yet has yet to prove himself, and i like to think one day he will. I find it strange this article should appear on DIS after virtually every discussion here includes some anti-libertines comments (not that i'm bothered), but it seems a bit like axe-grinding. I liked the last paragraph though.
it's funny tho, given some of the things you've said on the band being "contrived" etc, you wonder if anything like the Sex Pistols would be allowed to happen now. I'm not interested in the drugs and wish he'd sort kick em, but i find pete's desire to be that "pied piper" figure really interesting, and, well, fun! I guess the issue is he isnt making the music to back it up.... -
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yes, Pete is one of those infuriating enigmas who never seem to fulfill their potential. I am not a great fan of the Libertines but any fool can see he has talent.
It's a shame he has let other things over-take the music but hopefully he will come back with a bang and start producing what he should have a long time ago!
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Failed to turn up for the Babyshambles gig tonight in Aberdeen.
Not a surprise at all to be honest.
Publicity stunt in a place that is far away from the music press and thus unlikely to hurt his cred in any shape or form apart from upsetting some Scottish folk. No doubt front page News in the NME and thus adding to the hype etc. -
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the compassionate humanist in me wants Mr. Doherty to stop taking drugs, so then i won't have to read about him...
but i admit i find the whole shebang very entertaining even if the music is often, in truth, mediocre (though no more mediocre than every other indie band with 'something to say').
if he's happy to be a modern day circus freak, so be it. he certainly does get the attention, he certainly does spark debate. the fact, of course, that ultimately the debate is utterly banal seems to have passed everyone by. nevermind.
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It's really hard to word my point without sounding like a heartles bitch, but here's my best attempt.
I very much doubt that the media and the hangers on are that much of an influence anymore. They're certainly not much help but he's too far involved for them to be much of a hinderence.
I'm sure Pete didn't get into all this naievely. He would've known all the dangers surrounding hard drugs, he perhaps may not have realised them to their full extent but he would have been aware enough to make the decision. And he chose what he chose, it's too late now for anyone to save him, he can only save himself. I'm pretty sure that he has everything at his reach to help him get off the drugs. He's not just some junkie in the street with nothing else, he can afford rehab and the best treatment. And if all that's unsuccessful it's most likely because he doesn't want to get off the drugs as much as he needs to really want to. He's never going to do it until he's 100% sure he doesn't want them in his life. Right now he probably enjoys the high times too much to let go; which is unsupsrising given the lifestyle he has.
He believed in the romance of rock 'n' roll and he's got it. And for that; good on him, not many people go out and achieve what they want. In rock n' roll terms the perfect end to this story is for him to die tragicly, talent unfulfilled. It wouldn't suprise me all that much if he's happy to die young having lived fast. He will have written two brilliant albums, inspired thousands of people and been acclaimed by many to be something of a genius.
He's making his own choices here and doing what he wants, and people telling him he's a waster and should get off the drugs are hardly going to make him go clean. I think that he will get over it, it may take time but when he wants it enough he will do. And then he can get on with making more brilliant music and we can all admire him for overcoming his addictions. And if he doesn't what's the worst that can happen? He'll die having fulfilled many of his dreams? I'm not saying him dieing wouldn't be a sad tragedy but there are people out there on the same edge as him who don't have what he has, who aren't amazingly talented songwriters and no one seems to care about all those people as much as they do Pete. Which is really more tragic isn't it
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Seems a bit of a confused comparison: Brian Clough, a man who re-wrote the rulebook of the world's most popular sport and Pete Doherty, unknown beyond the dutifil reams of U16 London girls and fawning South Koreans.
Pete's undoubtedly a good songwriter with some great tunes, but if he was THAT good, they'd quit trying to sell a duff record off the back of a bit of smack addiction. He doesn't sell enough records to have a proper habbit. Not like he's a guitarist in the Chilis, is it? -
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Seems a bit of a confused comparison: Brian Clough, a man who re-wrote the rulebook of the world's most popular sport and Pete Doherty, unknown beyond the dutifil reams of U16 London girls and fawning South Koreans.
Pete's undoubtedly a good songwriter with some great tunes, but if he was THAT good, they'd quit trying to sell a duff record off the back of a bit of smack addiction. He doesn't sell enough records to have a proper habbit. Not like he's a guitarist in the Chilis, is it? -
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>No doubt front page News in the NME and thus adding to the hype etc.
Indeed so: http://www.nme.com/news/110036.htm
And so the circus goes on. All the ingredients in place - firstly the 'fans' creating a mess again... after all, a genuine reason was given for the cancellation, which we have to assume is true for the time being. Second, the NME being 'there' - they even got photos of the police outside the venue. Third, the NME not even bothering to add in the article whether he's OK or not. I guess that wasn't important to them.
Anyone in this thread that has said the whole circus is part of the fun should be ashamed of themselves.
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NEWS, I heard of a source very close to the band that, pete who hadnt slept for 3 days due to doing crack took a host of pills includign sleeping pills 15 minutes before Babyshambles edinbourgh show. He crashed out (totaly stone cold out for the count) and his manager went on stage to the sold out 1,400 capacity crowd to tell them pete wouldnt be playing tonight. In good scottish spirit there was a riot gear was wrecked the place was torn apart , cars turned over petes manager bottled and the band and bus had to be excourted from the vecinity via police escourt to a near by farm to retreat from the violent crowds.
Pet doherty what a waster what a fucking waster (listening to this song now makes me wonder if he is a fortune teller) there is NOTHING rock and roll about what pete doherty does its just un-professional and sad. -
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I don't find rioting or violence funny or entertaining...
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Anyone hear about the Babyshambles gig (or lack of) in Aberdeen last night? If not, read on :-
"Following three support acts having played to the audience, 25 minutes after Babyshambles were due onstage, The Lemon Tree's staff were informed by Bullet UK Promotions that Doherty, who was on the band's tour bus, was unable to play, due to "having fallen down stairs".
Another member of the Babyshambles tour party then made a statement to the audience to this effect and further stated that the Babyshambles perfomance would not go ahead. Some of the audience became unruly, with one setting off a fire alarm resulting in the building being evacuated."
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More crack.
More no shows.
More publicity.
More of the same old story that will serve to strengthen his fame meaning more money meaning more crack.
Until he's dead.
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Not wishing to doubt the veracity of this, but I understand that the capacity of the venue is closer to 500... obviously the rest I can't speak for, and wouldn't want to. -
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I don't want the guy on drugs but to be fair i don't think he wants to be on drugs, it's wrecked his body and got him chucked out of the most important band making music today.
In the end i agree with alot of the article on petes drug addiction but some of it was not 'well written'. Contrived? Pete is anything but. Jonny burrell, Liam and noel, mani these are contrived rock stars acting how they think rock stars should act. Pete only ever be's himself and that is what propells him above these people -
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What a load of old crap. Did you write this during breaktime at school by any chance?
I don't even know where to begin pulling this apart... So the Manics were virtual unknowns before Ricey disappeared, were they? All those Gen Terrorist/Holy Bible sales, singles and magazine front covers must have been a drug-induced dream then. Although not as fanciful as your assertion that post Richey the Manics became 'international megastars'. Try dropping their name into conversation with an American and see what reaction you get. I propose that their post Richey UK success has less to do with any fascination with the dead, and more to do with the fact that without Richey's leftfield influences the band started writing bland MOR that appealed to a wider audience that would never have listened to them before. But then that doesn't quite fit in with your cock-eyed theory, does it?
What else do we have here: Brian Clough. "A true maverick it has to be said in a profession of overpaid yes-men" and someone held up as a contrast to "Doherty's self-destructive "condition"". So Clough's rampant alcoholism wasn't self-destructive, was it? He had to have a liver transplant for fuck's sake! And you don't think his stomach cancer might at all be linked to it? And leaving aside this 'noble' death, from a "real ailment" (what the fuck?), Clough was a bully, a control freak and man who constantly belittled others in order to make himself feel better about his sad, alcohol-addled life. Yeah, a real paragon of virtue, old Bid 'Ead.
As for your unbelievably patronising, pious and pathetically naive attitude to drug addiction... Jesus, how long have you got? God knows what it's like in the perfect little world surrounding your ivory tower, but back here in reality, people do drugs for many different reasons. People then get addicted to said drugs, and people then have trouble ridding themselves of their habit before it kills them. To tar every drug addict with the same 'junkie' brush is idiotic in the extreme.
And here's some news for you: addiction is an illness. Cloughie's alcoholism was an illness. Just a more socially acceptable one that a heroin habit.
Your penultimate paragraph makes you sound like the most obnoxiously sanctimonious cunt on God's earth. So you have no time for people who do heroin? Really? I see from your profile you like Nick Kent. Maybe you should read up on his life. Go back and check the rest of your record collection. Or do you only listen to narcotically cleansed bands?
I await your next condescending cock-fest of a feature with baited breath. 'Facism: it's not on, kids!' perhaps. Or maybe just stick to a sucject you're qualified to talk about: 'What I did in my summer holidays', say.
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Hooray for junkies.
None of it is their fault.
It is all our fault.
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Bloody Hell.
I wouldnt wanna be Dom right now! -
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Re-read the post, take it all in, try and understand the points made, and then try to formulate an intelligent reply that has some relevance to what I've written.
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Actually..... most of the is utter tosh.
The Venue is a 550 capacity venue.
7 People were arrested.
When the police turned up at The Lemon Tree (in Aberdeen ... not Edinburgh) there were mass chants of "Get the Junkie on the bus, Get the junkie, get the junkie, get the junkie on the bus, Get the junkie on the bus!"
Looks like the "riot" was merely a small unruley crowd who were disgruntled. The Band apparently soundchecked but there have been no reports as to whether he was even around.
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Turns out he didn't soundcheck....
It appears that nobody saw him all night.
The Lemon Tree was hired for the night. Thus they have no responsibility for what has happened.
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**JUST ANNOUNCED**
BABY SHAMBLES PLAY KEF FOR FREE
2 Moro Night (friday)
To The First 300 Ticket Or Ticket Stub Holders
First Come First Served
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I heard he was late for his Nottingham show because a bouncer found him in the dressing room with a needle in his arm. -
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He just kill himself and get the charade over with. He''s like Sid Vicious, without the talent. -
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I don't mind the Libertines, but this Babyshambles thing is a joke too far. People pay money to see their idol and then are short changed by Pete, by the band and by the promoters. Also the gate reciepts (football analogy there, should have said takings) seem to be going straight to Mr. Doherty's drug dealer. -
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I re-read it, and it was still pish.
Next.
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Well, I'll give Dom one thing: he's certainly guaged the level of his audience to a tee. You deserve each other. -
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I live in Glasgow.
In the last 48 hours I have been challenged to two fights in the street by complete strangers, both out their faces.
I grew up with loads of people who became junkies, and have buried lots of them, 2 in the last year.
There is a whole industry in this country built around stopping these people from having to face up to their responsibilities and the consequences of their actions.
One of my friends, a social worker, recently told me that they are are all junkies because they were sexually abused as children and should be given special treatment.
Some people can manage a habit and lead some kind of life, not the rock bottom dross we see on the streets.
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Authorities and The Lemon Tree have now intervined and the KEF re-schedule show has been cancelled.
My Aberdeen is suddenly on the music map for the first time since Geneva were signed....
I`ll get my coat.... -
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He's way more talented than Sid Vicious.
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Chaddersla
I'm not an NME reject, or any other kind of reject for that matter.
I was not at the Newcastle show so I cannot comment.
However, I was at the Nottingham "show" - and I use that word lightly indeed - and it was the one of the most embarrassing state of affairs I've ever seen.
From Dot Allison coming on every five minutes telling people "Pete will be here, honest", and then singing her "La la la" refrain from her 'Dirge' cameo to a room (half)full of pissed off punters.
I've never seen the NME write about things like that mate, have you?
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Mr Future
You didn't have to repeat yourself to make your point, honest.
However, Doherty was the one on the night in question who seemed intent on bringing up Cloughie inbetween every bloody song.
For someone who has a fanclub full of U16 London girls and South Koreans (your words, not mine) it seems quite inappropriate that 24 hours after the great man's demise (Clough not Doherty) that he needs to keep reminding us all of the fact when its been on every TV screen and radio station since 1400 hours the previous day.
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Watermelon - nice pseudonym that we're hiding under by the way-
I wrote this as a reaction to:-
a) being sick to the back tooth of certain journalists overdoing the "get well Pete" stuff that basically came second to Princess Diana's death in terms of second rate sentiment and;
b) the fact I had just witnessed possibly the worst live performance - certainly by a "named" and signed artist - I've ever been unfortunate enough to witness.
You state that your aim is to "pull the article apart".
Why?
Because there are too many home truths in there for you to handle all at once?
As much as I love the Manics - and obviously as you're someone who has studied my user profile you SHOULD know that - it doesn't take a genius to work out that the fact 'The Holy Bible' - the Manics' last album before previously said member's disappearance - is still, 10 years on, BY FAR their lowest selling record, and yet 'Everything Must Go', the first record released after said member disappeared, is BY FAR the biggest. I still know of people who insist 'A Design For Life' was their first single. They are a band whose profile was raised significantly due to the INTERNATIONAL media coverage assigned to Richie Edwards disappearance. Or maybe you are the American that's never heard of them?
So stomach cancer is related to alvoholism?
I guess you should be informing the British School of Medicine with your theories rather than a music forum, but hey...if it makes you happy and all that???
You then call me pious and patronising towards drug addiction?
So what do you want me to do? Donate a few of the hard earned pounds I've got through honest means every week to these people? And lets face it, Doherty isn't someone who's fallen on hard times because of his upbringing or circumstances is he. The lifestyle he's pursuing at this moment in time is HIS CHOICE, so why should I feel sorry for him? Every time one of his songs gets played on the radio or MTV he's earning a damn site more than me or you so why should I have the slightest bit of sympathy?
I think the words REALITY and CHECK should be added to your vocabulary, like pronto.
So you think I'm an obnoxious sanctimonious cunt?
Then what should I have said?
Pete turned up (eventually), the band played gracefully out of tune for 30 minutes and we all lived happily ever after? Other media sources closer to the band obviously don't wish to tell the truth so I guess someone else has to.
My appreciation of Nick Kent has nothing to do with my frustration at Pete Doherty. I have not questioned his talent at any point during this article.
If you think that was condescending, then maybe you should close your eyes for my next feature. Jesus wasn't weeping when he saw your reply mate, he was pissing his pants with uncontrollable laughter.
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I attended the Norwich show with some friends of mine and enjoyed it. I don't mind saying it. Pete seemed in good spirits, playing along with the audience having a giggle and the like. However, returning to a previous point, the 'Hangers on' referred to throughout this thread, were there in force. It did make me feel rather queasy, especially when one of them was talking about knowing Tracey Emin. Never again. -
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So what's your point? I only read half the article.
It's still a confused comparison whether you made it or Doherty did. Doherty's not a maverick in any way, shape or form.
I'd like survey of slagged up, fifteen year old, Doherty cocksuckers to find out how many of them have even heard of football, let alone Brian Clough. I bet most of them don't even know who Carl Barat is! -
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What the hell is all this "I wouldn't wanna be Dom right now" business about?
How pathetic is that? Why wouldn't you want to be him? Is the Melon dude going to get his Dad to beat him up? Is he going to reply with such a vicious tongue it causes fatal lacerations?
Please, just accept that nobody will ever agree about articles like this. There are those that love Pete, there are those that hate him and there are those, like myself, who aren't really bothered either way and are more concerned with listening to the new Six By Seven album.
Everyone is of course welcome to their own opinions and musical debate is a great thing that keeps sites such as Drowned In Sound ticking. But please, lets keep this in check.
This is a website. The people who write here do so of their own free will. You are not paying to read these articles. If you don't like what you have read, then maybe make your point and then agree to disagree. Don't lower yourself to the point where you are making idle threats of 'I wouldn't want to be you right now.'
You are only showing yourself up for being a little bit silly.
We all love music, we wouldn't be here if we didn't. Keep on truckin. -
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What's wrong with my psuedonym? It's a damn sight better than yours! This, in case you hadn't noticed, is a public forum where people sign in using pseudonyms. What difference would my real name make?
But I digress...
I don't know who you think I am, but I found very few turths in your article, home or otherwise. The reason I wanted to pull your article apart? Because I am 'sick to the back tooth' (sic) of wrong-headed know-nothings using the wonderful freedom that the internet provides to spout ill-conceived, ill-considered claptrap as though gospel. Call me the pricker of prompousity, if you will.
So, to your rebuttals... Re: the Manics - it equally doesn't take a genius to work out that The Holy Bible was their least accessible album, and Everything Must Go their most commercial. Did 'Faster', 'Revol', 'PCP' et al receive blanket airplay/soundtrack Grandstand highlights reels, appeal to beered-up Oasis fans? No. Did Design For Life? Yes. Sometimes records sell more because people like them. It's as simple as that. Yes Richey got them press attention, but if you really think your average Hackett-top wearing rugby fan bought Everything Must Go because of a morbid fascination with Richey (and if you are as big a Mancis fan as you claim to be, then you will recall how their audience demographic changed overnight) then you're an even bigger idiot than you already appear to be. Which would take some doing.
Re: Cloughie's cancer - I am no doctor (nor no American, but keep guessing - it's fun), but I would imagine that pouring obscene amounts of poison into your stomach every day for 30 years would, indeed, have some causal link to the onset of cancer in that region. If I'm wrong, sue me.
As for Doherty's gig, what did you expect when you turned up at the gig? A 2 hour rock opera? A son et lumiere extravaganza? Holiday on fucking ice? Pete's problems are well documented. Pete's problems with paying shows are well documented. And that's exactly why people like you turn up - to rubbneck at the tragedy unfolding in front of your eyes, for a bit of scandal, for a few cheap vicarious thrills, a cheap holiday in somebody else's misery, and then the chance to come home afterwards, scrub your dirty clothes and then fire off self-righteous invective about the filth you've just witnessed.
Admit it - if Pete had played a perfect show you'd have felt disappointed. Cheated out of your chance to experience the skaghead roadshow.
You're telling 'the truth' (and I seem to have missed these falsehoods and lies in the press that you claim to be providing a counterpoint to)? Don't make me laugh. You're trying to make a name for yourself out of somebody else's misfortune. And you fucked up.
Now run along - there's nothing to see here.
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"Watermelon" - obviously too scared to let us all know who you are but...hey...children will be children and all that, my article has obviously touched a raw nerve with you.
You "would imagine" that alcohol causes cancer! I think you just answered your own question about who the biggest idiot is.
Now run along back to your messageboard and change your pseudonym again because you're too shit scared of anyone knowing who you are.
Go on now, mummy's calling...
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What's the matter Dommy - conceding defeat already?
Did the intellectual debate get a little too fierce for you?
I'd go back to your careers adviser, son: 'journalist' may just have been the wrong option. -
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That gimp from the manics who vanished was not a songwriter. James and Sean would write the songs using his poetry for lyrics. -
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Hey Pete,
I would suggest going back to killing yourself with drugs instead of debating here. Your strengths are not in the debating forum. -
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Yawns incessantly at the rambling pseudonym who believes cancer can caught after drinking a few whiskies...
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Good article Dom. PD is absolutely the biggest waste of column space this country has ever seen.
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So Dom G, rather than respond to my points about your piece, you would rather quibble that I post on an internet site under a pseudonym (hold the front page!) and a small detail about some medical matter.
I do not claim to be a doctor. You, on the other hand, claim to be a writer. Do the math.
Don't give up the day job Dom.
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Watermelon
I responded to your points in a far more eloquent manner than you attempted to "pull my piece" apart.
I also asked you several questions to which you have not responded, other than making childish remarks about me not to mention highly insensitive comments about cancer. And yet you're still too afraid to go public with your real name!
Still, you've always got the NME to give you your weekly "I Love Pete" fix.
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Come on, Dom - do you know what eloquence actually means? Look it up. You have a dictionary, right? You are a big shot writer after all!
I wrote you a very long reply. You responded by attacking my use of a username, picking me up on a medical matter, accused me of hiding behind anonymity, and then told me my mummy was calling. Scroll up - it's all there!
Dom: some advice. Before you can expect to write, you must first learn how to read!
While you're at it, perhaps you could point out those 'highly insensitive comments about cancer' I made. My oldest living relative is currently dying of cancer, so I don't think I would do that. (and before you ask, no! It wasn't alcohol related!).
And anyway, why this obsession with my real name? (apart, of course, from it being a smokescreen to avoid entering into discussion about any of the points I've raised).
Do you secretly think/wish that I'm Pete Doherty himself? Or maybe Alan McGee? Or another celeb? Sorry pal, but do you really think they'd be this interested?
At the risk of disappointing you, I'm not a celeb. I'm not even a junkie! In fact, I don't think I've ever even knowingly heard a Babyshambles record. And I thought 'Up The Bracket' was rubbish. Although I won't mind admitting that I thought 'The Libertines' was pretty good.
So that blows all of your conspiracy theories out of the water, I'm afraid Dom.
In reality, I'm just someone who doesn't like to read ill-opinionated drivel like yours masquerading as journalism.
Still, if it will make you feel better, my 'real' name is Bob. Happy now?
Bob W. Melon
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Watermelon you are a weasel.
"I am 'sick to the back tooth' (sic) of wrong-headed know-nothings using the wonderful freedom that the internet provides to spout ill-conceived, ill-considered claptrap as though gospel"
And yet, and YET...you come on this message board to spout said "I'll conceived claptrap". Shame on you for abusing the freedom of the internet.
I mean for fucks sake, what would you do, take away people's internet connections until they passed an exam which YOU have approved? You sanctimonious waste of spunk, get a life. If the internet bothers you so much go and read a book...or did you stumble across this site on your way to one of your favourite amatuer teen sites?
By all means pick apart the article...I actually thought you made some good points, but they were covered in so much of your own bile that I don't think anyone here can be arsed to give them the time of day.
In the interest of fairness, I should say; Dom you should expect criticism and not take it so personally, afterall you have just written an article which is itself a scathing attack on someone. -
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Face it as soon as someone from this 'scene' dies - maybe ken doherty (sic) himself then the press will back peddle and think of something else to like - remember how much laddism took over after cobain's death and Richey's disappearence - the glamour allof a sudden lost its shine when reality knocked - same with 2pac etc - addiction to anything is depressing - famous or liying bleeding scrabbling for broken teeth in a wet gutter -
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Come on, this is what it's all about, isn't it? The cut and thrust of debate, the exchange of wisdom and witticism.
I like to think of mine and Dom's sparring as like that of, say, Martin Amis and Christopher Hitchings.
Well, ok, given Dom's reactionary and blinkered wotrldview, more like Martin Amis and Peter Hitchings, but you know what I mean.
I like the idea of making everybody using the internet take an exam first, though! Don't tell me you don't think that's a great way to improve it??? -
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Argument-wise, I don't know whose side to take. You all say things I do and don't agree with.
Nonetheless, Watermelon is currently winning this debate by a pretty substantial margin.
(Oh, and addiction is an illness. Blame people for doing it in the first place if you will, but denying its reality as a genuine illness is just stupid.) -
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It Hitchins - Peter and Christopher Hitchins -yes they are brothers who haveboth wirtten for the Express and the Mail - make yr own mind up -
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Indeed Mr Melon, indeed - cut and thrust, not spit and poo-flick.
Dom's reactionary and blinkered view has sparked the most entertaining thread on here for while - if he'd written a balanced and weighed account of the Pete Doherty saga then there would have been nothing but tumble weed rolling through the board - save the sparse reply of "yes, that's fair enough"
cut and thrust, but keep it clean people. Seconds out, round 2!
Nah, it wouldn't improve it...it would mean the net is full of Eton schoolboys whose daddys' know the right people.
(I have no idea who the people you mention are *hangs head in shame*)
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ill opinionated drivel? Pete is a junkie waster who rips off hundreds of punters because he cant be bothered to turn up to do gigs and would rather shovel drugs into himself than take an opportunity to be a working successful musician that millions of people would much rather do than their dull jobs, myself included.
Personally, I hope he disappears so we can concentrate on good music, not dumb junkies. -
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Ref : What the hell is all this "I wouldn't wanna be Dom right now" business about?
it wasn't an idle threat!!!
it wasnt a threat at all.
i know this is a website. i know we all love music.
these darn message boards have no tone of voice so people are often misread.
i was simply saying in reference to slaggings, how scared he must be (i.e. not at all).
get it yet?
dont forget i am a ghost.
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.......and the article is good too!
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Once a twat, always a twat in the case of Dom!
And as he doesn't like people using psuedonyms, maybe I should change my name to Thomas_Annuchetski_Garrard or something. Maybe that's a bit long, mind. His attack on Watermelon was ridculous. -
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Hilarious.
I knew, without looking, that this article would instantly attract a *huge* comments thread.
Pete's a junkie. He just happens to be in a band. He's written a few songs that are alright. That's pretty much all there is to it. The fanaticism displayed by both sides of this argument just makes me feel bored.
Maybe he'll die, maybe won't, maybe he'll find God, for all you know. There's only one thing to blame in all of this, and that's the music press at large; by that, I don't mean that somehow fame gave Pete a drug problem. I mean that the music press (on the whole) has got stuck in this circle of hype that grabs bands with one decent single before they're ready and thrusts them into the limelight.
And, at the end of the day, the only people glamourising drug use are those that report it almost as headline news.
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Dom, what’s your problem with pseudonyms? Every time anyone criticises you in a major way, you always come back with some comment that they haven’t used their proper birth certificate name. Does it offend you that much? People aren’t scared to use their real names, so stop making it out to be some bold step in the dark to actually have your own name to log in with.
I still like the article but some of the comparison making is a bit stretched to say the least. Richey’s disappearance had fuck all to do with subsequent record sales. Most of the old fans I knew went off them when they started releasing unmitigated wank like ‘This Is My Truth, Tell me Yours’, round about the same time that the Number Ones and Jools Holland appearances started lining up.
One question Dom: if you’re not a Libertines fan, not a fan of Pete Doherty and not much of a Babyshambles man, why did you go to that gig? It smacks of ambulance chasing.
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Ambulance chasing hmmm, a bit coarse...but possible.
On the other hand, perhaps it was a case of "I really don't think I like this band/bloke... but maybe, just maybe if I see a live gig it'll convert me". If so, that shows a person who is willing to give a (mediocre) band the time of day despite their glaring inadequacies on record. Admirable I'd say...not the vampirish shit you lot alluding to.
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"Once a twat, always a twat in the case of Dom! "
Good use of constructive criticism there Caviar, or should I say Thomas Annuchetski???
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Dr Furry
I have no problem with pseudonyms in general, however, when someone makes a personal attack, in a non-constructive manner using such hilarious comments as "obnoxuious cunt" etc etc which they claim "rips something apart" when in actual fact it just serves to highlight their own immaturity and ineptitude, I do have a problem with that. The fact that Watermelon or whatever he/she/it wishes to call himself doesn't have the bollocks to use his real birth given name reeks of the kid at school whohides behingd his older brother's mates to shout abusive names at the new kid in his class.
I appreciate that some people may wish to use other comparisons to highlight the case of Doherty but in terms of devoted hero worship, the last individual from the music business to receive such fanatical acclaim was Edwards, while the Clough comparison is basically looking at the wider picture whereby a number people in my neck of the woods have been in mourning since Monday September 20th over someone they never actually met.
I admit I've never been a big Libertines fan - although the new album knocks giant spots off the first one IMHO - but then, of the 1000+ people who packed Rock City that evening, how many can honestly say they are Babyshambles fans, because lets face it, it was a Babyshambles gig, right?
Dohery had played an acoustic show at the Social in Nottingham about 6 weeks earlier and one or two people had actually told me it was one of the most riveting shows they'd seen all year, which only heightened my curiosity as to why I should go and see them.
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ILNNESS:
When your life is a mess light one more cigarette, it's so logical.
JUNKIE:
We are all junkies of one kind or anoither, be it music, or film, or reading shitty guest contributions to artivles about other people.... Shame skag gets the better of a man's mind and leads him to some very dark places.
"DEAL WITH IT"
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Smileadelic
"Watermelon is currently winning this debate by a pretty substantial margin."
Are you sure about that mate?
Let's examine the facts.
For a start, nothing contained in the original article can be disproved as being untrue or ridiculously exaggerated, unlike Watermelon's pathetic claim that "30 years of alcohol abuse can lead to stomach cancer"!
His "attempts" at ripping this article to shreds consist of nothing more than personal insults and name calling that I thought I'd left behind in the school playground many years ago.
Whilst he's supposedly picking my article to shreds, he doesn't even have the bottle to use his real name, which loses any credibility his "points" might have had in the first place.
I'm not saying that everyone has to agree with this piece. That was the point of the article in the first place, and most arguments against it on here have been well thought and substantially validated. However, Watermelon/Bob/whatever he chooses to call himself today's comments do not fall into that category, and if anyone considers calling someone an obnoxious cunt because you don't agree with their viewpoint winning a debate then I think I'd rather be a loser!
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shit stop discussing it.
he does drugs, he wants to get off them, he struggles.
just because hes famous it doesnt warrant the sort of posts that some people are putting forward.
i bet half of you get pissed off at how tabloids go on about peoples 'personal' lives, as far as i know drug addiction is a personal problem. if anyone cared about him (which i dont as ive never met him, why should i care anymore about him than some junkie tramp who is homeless in the city, dont get me wrong i care about homeless people, but not in a personal way about each individual) they would stop discussing and inadvertantly glorifying him.
we dont sit here discussing every single tramp that was a good person till he started doing smack.
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Dom, Dom, Dom - my simple, simple correspondent.
I have this wonderful picture of you as a 16 year old wannabe writer, convinced that everything you say is vitally important, every opinion you have is life-changingly insightful.
Here's a tip: it isn't. You write juvenile, infantile bollocks on a website Dom. This isn't the letters page of The Times.
I've written at length about points you make (please wipe those tears if righteous indignation from your eyes and go back and read th posts) , and still the only thing you can bring up is a pseudonym and a medical fact. And do you know, I still hold that there might be some link between 30 YEARS of POURING POISON INTO YOUR STOMACH (and we're not talking about a couple of whiskies a day, you buffoon, rather litres of POISON) and cancer. I don't even know if I believe this, but I'm going to say it anyway because it annoys you so! I can see you spluttering in your replica green Cloughie jersey! But then Brian Clough wasn't a nasty addict like that evil Pete Doherty in your adolescent worldview, was he? He just liked 'a couple of whiskies'. You knownothing idiot! Why do you think he had a liver transplant? For the free hosipital food?
As you hold so much stock by it, my fell, real name is Robert Davies. There. We're equal now. Has that made a difference? Do I have 'credibility' now? You silly sod?
As for not addressing your points, I disproved your Manics theory, ddebunked your asinine Clough comparison, pointed out your offensively naive theories about drug addiction and generally undermined what was a pretty instabe 'argument' in the first place.
But hey, why let the facts get in the way of a good rant, eh Dom? You don't come into contacts with adults very much, do you...
As for calling you an 'obnoxious cunt' - if you can stop shaking with rage enough to actually read what I wrote, I said that your attitude to drug addicts made you SOUND like an OBNOXIOUSLY SANCTIMONIOUS CUNT. Quite a difference, but - hey! - if the cap fits, Dom - and I think you have subsequently proved that it's practically tailor made for you, then keep wearing it.
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can i just say that alcoholism (or any drug addiction) isnt necessarily an illness. its more of a mental problem, which can or can not be an ''illness'' depending on the school of thought, or the region of the world where you come from. at the end of the day its just a form of escapism, and if he wasnt on (hard) drugs hed be deeply addicted to something else. -
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the fact that he's just inspired so much discussion on this board just reaffirms whether you like it or not the full extent of his iconagraphy and relevance. you wouldnt get this much feedback for an article speculating Julian Casablanca's substance abuse would you?
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I think that because Pete Doherty puts himself in the public eye, he has to deal with the fact that bad things and experiences for him are going to be shown to the rest of the world. I think that by becoming a 'celebrity' and becoming well known off your own bat, you tend to lose any rights to privacy.
As a famous American comedian once said (I'm sorry but I can't remember his name at the moment);
"A celebrity is someone who spends all their life trying to become famous, and when they do, they wear dark glasses to avoid being recognised"
Pete Doherty just wanted to be a musician, but through his own actions, and by condoning the actions of others, he has become a celebrity and therefore should be treated as one, not some omnipotent God.
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I use a new library which has opened close to me. It's unfortuntately situated next to a supermarket where all the skag and downers are sold outside.
The junkies frequent the library. The stock is dissapearing at an alarming rate, especially the childrens films.
One of the junkies was recently sitting zonked in the childrens area, fly open. He wandred off, leaving a childs juice bottle. On inspection, the staff found that he'd left a kids bottle full of methadone in a childrens area.
The staff moved it. He came back in and attacked the person sitting next to where he'd been, accusing them of stealing his methadone.
Once the illness has reached this level, the only rational, balanced thing to to do is provide a compulsory cure of an NHS provided fatal od of pure hokum.
They should then be put to use by having their bodies burnt and the energy released used to heat the homes of pensioners, single parents and asylum seekers ;-)
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You can only burn them, you can't eat them because their bodies are nothing more than abcess covered pus-filled fleshsacs of nothingness. Prime meat? Scrag end dog cuts, nowt more, nowt less. -
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No it doesn't reek of hiding behind your older brother's mates at all because that is real life and this is all part of Internetland, that great big white lie where we can all be who we want to be, whether it's serial sexaholics or wannabe music journos like me (actually that's a lie, I've given up on my old dreams of being a journo, it ain't creative enough). It wouldn't make a difference whether I used my name, called myself DrFurry or Tarquin Forgreaves XI, I'm still anonymous to you really. The name doesn't matter a toss and getting hung up on a name is pretty worthless.
Fair enough on the points regarding seeing babyshambles, I personally wouldn't touch them with a shitty stick but that's the fun of the world! Don't Look Back In The Sun is fucking ace and that's all I need to know. If anyone should question why drugs are shit, it's because they make you think that Mick Jones is a better producer than Bernard Butler....
Clough is a different figure entirely for me though as to why he was loved. The guy took unfashionable football teams and made them win. There's also a total North-South thing going on in that the suited bastards in FA HQ overlooked him and basically blackballed him from the top job.
On Richey, I don't think he's comparable to Doherty. Doherty's had a definite fan love increase since his drug shit whereas Richey always had that from the start as he and the Wireman were the visual aspect of the band. If his disappearance increased the number of Manics fans as a whole, then it's also fair to say that his disappearance led to an increase in the number of Manics fans who really had no connection with him whatsoever. Many fans connected with Richey through his self-harm and anorexia: I doubt many identified with James Dean Bradfield's pie addiction. -
Re: Pete Doherty: The Shambolic Waster
You're not a prick. (I feel the need to confirm that others share your dream) -
Re: Pete Doherty: The Shambolic Waster
Re the link between alcohol and cancer.
It has been proven by a panel of revisionist historians and assorted crackpots that the main cause of cancer is feeling sorry for and defending junkies, especially on music related websites.
This is also the main cause of falling pieces of masonry, house prices, lost remote controls and irritatingly loud children.
This information has been suppressed by the Manchester United controlled world media. They are also suppressing the picture of the earth taken from space, which clearly shows Jesus' face superimposed over the earth, with a burning cross on his face, with the words 'Eat at Joes' written on it. -
Re: Pete Doherty: The Shambolic Waster
Easily the most informative post so far. -
Re: Pete Doherty: The Shambolic Waster
Watermelon/Robert Davies
Your ignorance and incompetence astounds me.
However, as to your last post, here goes...
"Dom, Dom, Dom - my simple, simple correspondent"
Obviously not simple enough for you to understand.
"I have this wonderful picture of you as a 16 year old wannabe writer, convinced that everything you say is vitally important, every opinion you have is life-changingly insightful."
As I've said before with your insightful theory on medical science linking cancer to alcoholism, your imaginary pictures astound me.
"You write juvenile, infantile bollocks on a website"
To which you adhere to actively contribute to so I guess that would make you...
"This isn't the letters page of The Times. "
You don't say?
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