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Reunions: Let the Legend Rest?

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by Duncan Bartlett
The promise of lucrative reunion shows has tempted many bands to forget past differences and strike out on the road. This year, The Pixies and Duran Duran are touring. Tears for Fears have a new album out. Even Frankie Goes to Hollywood are considering reforming after reuniting for a TV special. But some rock legends have discovered that a reunion can destroy their dignity and myth. Duncan Bartlett reports.

An icy Monday afternoon in Paris, December 2003, and a 68-year old organ player steps into Pere Lachaise cemetery to visit the grave of a long-deceased colleague. Ray Mazereck lights a candle and communes with the spirit of the Lizard King. But this is not The End, my friend.

A day later, Mr Mazereck and the 21st Century Doors take the stage at Paris' largest venue, Le Zenith, and resurrect the ghost. Due to his long-standing appointment in Pere Lachaise, original singer Jim Morrison is replaced by former-Cult vocalist Ian Astbury. Greatest hits are played. The crowd applaud. Critics are impressed. But where are the danger and the tension? Where are the riots and the arrests for indecency? The music lives on, just. But the thrill is gone.

On March 18th 1996 at a press conference the Sex Pistols announced their 'Filthy Lucre' reunion tour. Like The Doors, the Pistols also decided that the fact an original singer lies cold in the ground was no bar to entertaining audiences in Europe, North America and Japan. Forty-ish, fat and dressed in tartan and silver, they were not always appreciated as much as they hoped. In Scandinavia, they were nearly bottled off stage. Elsewhere, their snarling attack on society was met with yawns and embarrassed laughter.

The Velvet Underground, too, cashed in their dignity on a reunion tour. They completely sullied their legendary reputation by hamming it up in various arenas around Europe in 1993. Singer Lou Reed initially agreed to work amicably with fellow founding member, bassist/violist John Cale. But as the tour went on, Reed's megalomania took over and he refused to allow Cale any creative control over the proposed new VU studio album. A sad end to a truly great band.

And now, The Pixies, one of the most edgy and innovative bands of the 1980s and 1990s are joining the list of questionable reunions. They'll play at California's Coachella Festival in May 2004, 11 years after they split, along with The Cure, Radiohead, Kraftwerk, Air and The Flaming Lips. Pixies front man Frank Black, also known as Black Francis, admits he has had nightmares about the shows. 'I dreamed it's an utter failure and I don't know the songs, and hardly anyone turns up for the gig and people walk out. That's what I'm afraid of, that it'd be a big, big failure.'

People will turn up, of course, and no doubt they will enjoy themselves. The band will have fun too, out on the road again with old mates, reliving the time when they were young, creative and exciting. But many will be wondering, wouldn't it better to let the legend rest?



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John Lydon isn't dead. Sid Vicious is. And he wasn't the Sex Pistol's original singer - he wasn't the original bassist either. Glen Matlock was and he was there for the reunion tour.

Research, boyo!

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neither was Johnny Rotten, Steve Jones was meant to be the singer to start with, and Wally Nightingale was the original original bassist before Matlock so nyeer

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They should all roll over and die.

AND STAY DEAD.

For me, when bands do this it negates all the good they did originally.

The Pixies are a joke for doing this. A big silly joke.

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It's incredibly naive to make generalisations about "all" bands that reform. And it's even more so to slag off the Pixies before they've even brought out any new material or played live.

I'll admit that many bands that reform are just in it for the money (Sex Pistols, Velvets, the odious 'Here and Now' tour etc), but there are plenty of succesful reunions in rock history eg:

The Verve:- Does 'Urban Hymns 'negate all the good they did originally'? I Think not.

Echo and the Bunnymen:- Since their reformation in the mid nineties there's been three top draw new albums, all completely different to, yet equally as good as, their previous material in addition to an orgasmic live album. I do realise that many of the philistine and charlatan patrons of this site probably don't acknowledge their status as one of the all time greats- but the example still stands. Thus is the nature of subjectivity. As the great philospher Voltaire once said: "I disagree with what you say, but I'll defend your right to say it to the death"

Mcalmont and Butler: again not everyone's cup of tea, but their last album after reforming was better than their first. Bernie's a genius, whether he's playing with Brett or playing with Dave or whether he playing with himself (If you're thinking there's a double entendre there, then you've got a dirty mind, but then so has everyone, I don't hold it against you. Messrs Butler, Anderson and McCalmont might though!)

Then there's bands that carry on after a death: Manics, JD/New Order etc. That's like a reunion, in the sense that the band will never be the same. I know with regards to the former, some cynics/purists think they should have quit when Richey died, but that's bollocks and even they know it. I've seen 'em all singing to 'Masses against the Classes', 'a Design for Life' and even 'You Stole the Sun From My Heart'.

Also there isn't a Smiths or Roses fan out there who wouldn't salivate/ejaculate at the prospect of a reunion for either band.

Let's wait and see....




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except for when te roses did reform
no one was very happy with THAT...

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I've always been very happy with Second Coming personally. I think it's one of the all time most underated albums ever and I like it better than the debut.

The only slight (and I mean slight, they were -as far as i'm concerned- passable) niggle was Ian's vocals, especially on the tour (which I have bootlegs of, I was that bit too young to go and see them).

The guitarwork's much better, squire had the potential to be a new page, instead of a shitty deluded dylan wannabee ('time changes everything' easily one of the worst albums of all time, a wasted talent).

Just cos the idiot press turned on em, so did the 'so called' fans. Real Roses fans appreciate the genius of Second Coming. There's more to them than 'reserection' and 'waterfall' etc. In my opinion, you're not a true roses fan unless you've heard 'ride on', that's the acid test (I would say 'I am without Shoes' and 'Groove, Black Magic Devil Woman' as well, but that'd bring a new dimension to the term 'elitist'!).

I think there will be a third coming. Brown and Squire were friends since they were toddlers, they'll kiss and make up eventually. It'll happen in the next five years definitely. Mani seems game, Reni's 'the Rub' (who I saw live and liked a lot) flopped, Squire's doing Roses' covers now (and badly, according to some of my still loyal mates who were stupid enough to pay to see his album tour), and Brown's last album was a "Bag o' Shite", in Paul Calf parlance (although Unfinished Monkey Business and Golden Greats were both quite good).

Roses Forever!!!!!!!!!!!




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dude, i may be wrong
but didnt they reform for a reading headline slot?
im sure nme drag it out every year as "when reading goes bad"

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dude, i may be wrong
but didnt they reform for a reading headline slot?
im sure nme drag it out every year as "when reading goes bad"

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Nah mate, they never actually split up pre-Reading, to my knowledge.

They took a 6 year break before second coming, which could be described as a break up/reform situation and I thought that was what you were alluding to.

The 'Reading incident' was a really, really, really shit gig that put the final nail in the roses' coffin. At that point there were only two orignal members (mani and monkey) Aziz Ibrahim (who, by all accounts was, and still is, a decent axeman) played lead, Robbie Maddix played drums and ex OMD member Nigel Ippinson played keyboards. Brown's vocal's were terrible and it all fucked up.
Gotta admit though, my present knowledge of Roses' history pales in comparison to that of when I was 15/16 and infatuated by them. If any Roses expert knows any of the aforementioned to be inaccurate, then, by all means, correct me.


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Here we go again with Jared's Crap-ola about how a "true" fan would appreciate any ass-juice that a band spurts onto a platter, as long as Jared is a fan. Also, how the media is responsible for the lukewarm reception that a mediocre album receives.

A fan turns on you when you SUCK, Jared. What POSSIBLE motivation would anybody have for discrediting a band that they hitherto ENJOYED, beyond finding the next record inferior? You like Morrissey, and other Morrissey fans critique his newer material.....And you label them as being somhow "disloyal", rather than merely discerning, just because YOU think that said material is GOOD! Now it's Stone Roses fans who weren't really FANS, after all.

Do yourself a favor, and try to understand why this is a juvinile sensibility. Otherwise, when you become a man, life will be more difficult.

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Apologies for having an opinion.

If you read one of my earlier posts you'd see that I admitted I was wrong and that it was perfectly valid to be a fan and critic similutaneously, I'm not disputing that, you made a good point, well done.

However, on this occassion all I said was that a 'true fan' of the Roses will have "heard" Ride On, not think its their best song ever. I stand by that.

As far as the Stone Roses/Second Coming debate goes, yes I prefer the latter, but I also love the former. What
really pisses me off is elitists like you who think that the albums they like best REALLY ARE the best and the albums they deem as being shit REALLY ARE shit.

Before coming on this board, I knew or had met about 100 or so fellow Roses fans and not one of them disliked Second Coming. That's why I said it was a media myth that people thought it was shit, because I'd never come across andbody like that. However, there are people on here who dislike it (yourself included) but not many.

Also its not me that's flaming someone on the internet, so I think its you that needs to grow up.


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Youre completely right apart from about the Manics, theyve never been as good since. Their songs just dont have the emotion, the rawness, the sheer sound ofthe first 2 albums. Also a 'socialist' band who flogs their songs for adverts. Its not like they need the money.

But the Smiths/Roses thing, yeh completely. But I dont think it'll ever happen.

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Hey don't wanna get into 'the Manics Debate' (least not on this thread), however, whilst the first three albums are the best by far, that shouldn't stop anyone from liking any post Richie stuff. Holy Bible is my favourite Manics album as is the same with many true fans of the manics (there are plenty of fakers out there, who I've heard talking at their gigs, that seem to think 'Design for Life' was their debut single), but that aint gonna stop me from loving 'Everything Must Go' and 'Know Your Enemy (Don't ask me about 'This is my Truth' though, it's a bit piss poor really).

As for the whole adverts/socialism thing, let me give you a pop-sociology lesson. When you're a young working class kid like James, Nicky and Sean were you hate the middle and upper classes and, indeed, money. When you're from that background and you actually get some substantial money you start to like it. Not because you're greedy, but because you've worked hard and earnt it. Neither attaining financial security or taking money from Capitalists (by letting them use your work in adverts) goes against the basic principles of Socialism.

Fundamental Socialism is about wanting the best for those who are the social underclasses; the unemployed/working class, ethnic minorities, the young, the old, the disabled etc. It's not about some misguided notion of monetary martyrdom. It's ok to have a little money (like the Manics, who aren't exactly billionaires) and still want the best for others. That's not hipocracy.

I really dislike all the bullshit that people say about manics/zach de la rocha etc, if the boot were on the other foot and all that...

Bono'S a better target for sixthform socialist hatred. He has an obscene amount of money, yet he get's nowt but praise from the 'loony left' music fans. "Cancel the world debt" Says Popstar with around 9 figures in the bank. Sheer lunacy.

Give me Nicky Wire any day, he's the shit.


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"Youre completely right apart from about the Manics, theyve never been as good since. Their songs just dont have the emotion, the rawness, the sheer sound ofthe first 2 albums."

first TWO albums??? everyone knows the third one is the best by a country mile...

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C'mon, has everyone forgotten that the pixies were shite for at least their last 2 albums? (personally I would go with doolittle onwards), I think it's called selective amnesia.

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I love the Pixies, but I don't think they ever made a truly 'great' album. They made some fucking excellent songs, and Doolittle is my favourite of their albums, but it still doesn't quite stick together the way a classic album should, IMHO.

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I cant wait for the nirvana reunion which I'm oh so sure will happen.
who would replace Kurt?

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Simple: Andrew WK.

(the wk could stand for 'wannabee kurt' amongst other things- eh, hold on, that gives me an idea!...)

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Second Coming? Get a grip, it sucked.
The Doors always sucked, even with the fat man.
The Pistols were always a scam, that was the point.
The Manics are revolting, fat and are Pop Idol music "professionals". They might as well clock in and clock out every day.
The Pixies reformation will fail because Black Francis = Lou Reed and John Cale = Kim Deal.
Sad, sad, sad.
FYI Surfer Rosa and Trompe le Monde were the two best, and they fucking rocked live.

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oh good lord! the pixies the pixies the pixies :)

do you know what, frankly i dont give a flying fuck if the pixies reform is about money,i dont give a fuck if they arnt as good as their prime days, and good grief you know iv decided not to have an argument with the person who said doolittle onwards was shite 1.your entitled to your opinions but 2. dear GOD please dont get the last ticket for the festival where they are reforming and stop me from seeing them!!
i mean of course there not gonna have quite the same energy as they did but come on ..THE PIXIES

i personally will have died and gone to HEAVEN if they reform in england and i get a ticket (crosses fingers and toes)...its honestly something i thought id never see...the amount of times i moaned about how my favourite band are dead you couldnt count...so when i heard about the reform i was ecstatic.. i like to think that they are reuniting for fans like me who would cringe if they embarrased themselves but would love them for trying and thank them for creating amazing music and playing it live once..cds are all fine and dandy but live pixies is what i want...rarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!


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I heard that Frank Black hates people who don't punctuate and spell correctly.

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wowza the amazing truth of opinions and assholes. mwuahahaha. ;-P all i know (jah jah...my opinion, u'r opinion, six bits a dollar...) last time i heard frank live, and he was packing up like six of his guitars in washington state after a long roadtrip ... and i kept screamin' 'frank frank frank...gimme your autograph!' and he was too beat to look over and kept packin up...when i finally shouted, 'charles...i'm your number two fucking fan!' he looked up, smiled, walked over and signed a 'frank black and the catholics' poster i had...(not the pixies, but closest i could bring on short notice)...and all the crazy wanna-be re:view-crapola some of u spew out re: comparing frank to lou reed (huzzah? cracked-out man where'd that come from) and the 'pixies bein' shite' still won't separate any truth from the fact that they have been, and will always be, freaking tasty. ;-) so pbbbbttth and such.

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I'm hoping to find out when the reunited Duran Duran come around to my area! They were my first concert ever, and it would be soo cool to see how much they have changed over the years!

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I can't see a Pixies reunion lasting, but frankly i don't care, so long as i get to see them at some point i'd be a happy man. Seeing Frank Black & The Catholics opening with Gouge Away at Reading a few years back was one of the most emotional music-moments of my life. If the money's there for them, they should take it, they've deserved it. On a side note, i'd take any song off Trompe Le Monde over Here Comes Your Man at my local indy-disco.

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i saw frank at reading too, he did couple of pixies tunes. Cant think which other ones he did now.
Anyway i was cynical. Just heard their come back show and they havent lost it at all, awesome stuff.

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Saw the Breeders 2 years ago,brilliant gig.Is Kim Deal back for the gigs,or have they given her a miss ?

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i saw the breeders too when they were promoting 'title tk', they were great. Kelly deal doesnt actually do alot does she? She plays on about 2 album tracks and played an intro to a song when i saw here, and a bit of singing.
Yeah kim's back with them, its the full lineup.

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When we saw them,it was just one of 'those' gigs,you know,the kind of atmosphere that it takes a real stormer to create,crowd eating out of their hands,band on top form.Kelly didn't seem to be up for leaving the stage.Amusing bit of 'friction' between the 2,when an audience member gave one a bracelet,none for the other,lol.
I was in the venue early,absolutely nothing to do with wanting to rec..cough the gig.Stood next to Kim in the foyer.Didn't have the nerve to try and strike up conversation,thought she may have tumblered me for my Ramones t-shirt and loose change.
Cannot wait to see the Pixies,missed them first time around.Didn't think they were 'punk',the same blinkered attitude that's affecting some of dis' younger members.
All I need now is The Smiths to reform,didn't see them either.Girlfriend saw them twice.I counter this with seeing the Cocteau Twins and Portishead,etc.
Anyone else going to see James Brown ?.I saw him in 98,and it was great,really looking forward to this one as well.
Pixies and PJ Harvey on the same day,though,does it get much better ?.
On a different note,going to see the Handsome Family in Holland,in May.These gigs cost about £4.50.Why do we pay so much here,for such crap venues ?

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You seem to have the same tastes as me and im 22, hehe.Under a fiver for a great gig is great. I swear in the uk larger bands are ruled by these money grabbing ticket ppl. It doesnt miff me cus i dont bother seeing them cus they are mostly shit if theyr asking that anyway, except morrissey which i paid £22 (and the missus) and saw a god like being move a large room of ppl like toy soldiers. That what i pay for.
Pixies i would pay for if they played Brum, travelling, to be honest i need to focus on other stuff right now.
If you're bored check www.theplasticashtray.tk we talk music, but not in a blinkered "oh my god man like we saw like this band, blah de blah" style......

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Saw the Breeders open up for Nirvana at Roseland in NYC. Walked right the fuck out on Nirvana. They bored the shit out of me.

What's the diff if a band RE-FORMS, or merely outlives their usefulness? A few years of bad records!! I'd rather go see a re-formed Pixies than a Pixies that didn't have the sense to realize when they had run out of steam. At least Pixies weren't so money-hungry as to remain as a unit, even though they weren't working well together.

Look at the Ramones (God love 'em). Joey's fiancée left him for JOHNNY, 10 YEARS before the Ramones came to an end. Johnny and Joey didn't even speak to each other in those 10 years. Holy SHIT!!!! What's the POINT!??!

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I was too young to see the Pixies first time round. Now I'm old enough and they're playing some gigs. They were ugly then and they're ugly now, except Kim Deal, who's gone from wasted supermarket-checkout girl to out-and-out MILF. Bands who were exciting partly because they were young and outlandish and traded on it will probably look a bit foolish when they re-form years later, but the Pixies weren't that kind of band, so they don't. So hurrah.