Fuck off twat.

and think that most of the lyrics are about "the upper classes"?

New Noise rocks everyones mind.

I think, with Refused its not so much a love or hate aspect but more of a "love", "respect for ideologies" or "Never heard of" kinda thing...

Personally i think it's a blinding album - absolute beast!!!

i used to love it when i was doing my a levels. i wore a refused are fucking dead t shirt to school. i was dead cool.

the last time i listened to it, i thought it sounded over produced and a bit crappy. not as intense as i remembered. maybe i'm getting old.

to be honest i'm never interested in a band's politics because I generally don't believe you can pigdeonhole such a broad topic.

I think it kinda depends on your age and your musical pallet, when I discovered this album I was like 14/15 and it was before anything i'd discovered that sounded even remotely as musically revolutionary.

I'd bet a small wager if I was listening to them now for the first time I wouldn't think much of it.

The songwriting is really concise which I think is the important thing, and Sandstrom's drumming is out-of-worldly and what's also is exciting is how the production works to make the whole thing feel damned alive throughout and lyxzen's vocals getting strained and putting a lot of drama into it.

this all said though, I haven't bothered with it for a couple years now, I went onto Converge and now a days i'd rather listen to 'Hidden World' by Fucked Up.

So I guess all i'm saying is it depends on your musical development on how much you will think of this album/band. Also it seems like if you like Fugazi you'll hate this band; just something i've noticed.

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Firstly, I'm not sure how anyone can take the sentiments expressed on that album seriously given Dennis' subsequent work with INC.

Secondly, it's really not some kind of genre-bending masterpiece. It's fairly standard (if above average) post-hardcore with a few fairly nasty electronic flourishes and a couple of samples thrown in. In terms of musical innovation within that scene, Fugazi really have it nailed; they've incorporated dub, afrobeat, 60s pop, jazz and noise influences but within a punk template and, to my ears, are infinitely more interesting.

That said, I used to absolutely love Refused and I'm well aware they opened up my ears to new sounds. It's just that they're one of those bands who seem less and less revolutionary as you begin to listen to more and more music.

I can wholeheartedly say that I 100% disagree with you on this one. For me, 'The Shape Of Punk To Come' is an untouchable masterpiece.

and im planning on listening to it on full volume because its a great great record. One of my all time faves.

I've been listening to Refused since I was 16 (1996) and they were never once described as screamo by anyone back then.

Would everyone please stop bastardising genre names please?

Kthxbai

was the most horrific waste of time ive ever had to endure.

grow up.

and will always be.

I take this as a personal insult.

it was okay. the guy's voice gets a bit annoying after a while. the liner notes are quite entertaining but seem a little half baked at times.
if i was still 16 and listening to it for the first time i can see why i would love it. being a cynical 23 year old, i instead noticed all the bits they'd jocked from other bands.

never really fell for it.