apologies if you've talked about this already, I didn't spot it.
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/2008/07/emotions_run_high_at_women_bis.html
they CRIED?! They cried because women can now be bishops? For fucks sake. I'm glad there's more progress in the church, Christians who try and stop this sort of stuff look like idiots. Can anyone give me any feasible reason why it would be a bad thing? Apart from 'girls are stupid and can't understand clever bishop things boo hoo'.
did they cry because they were so emotionally moved?
or because they were so upset with this decision?
on radio 4 this morning
it said because they were upset at the 'loss of tradition'.
Apart from faith,
that's all religion is though,right?
although I think the one in that article
cried because there isn't going to be 'superbishops'? I don't really get that bit.
Superbishop'd be the best comic book hero ever!
This is Eric, a bishop.
But Eric is no ordinary bishop. For when he takes holy communion to symbolise the blood and body of our lord Jesus Christ, he becomes...SUPERBISHOP!
Do CofE take holy communion to the whole
blood and body of Christ thing levels?
I dunno
I was thinking less through the theological implications and more the Tim Brooke-Taylor monologue.
Well
How is a woman meant to effectively molest a choir boy? Eh?
You can talk up equality all you like but men will always make the better peadophiles.
it's because
all women are in league with lucifer!
Maybe they were imagining what they'd be like on Shipwrecked
because women are the poisoned chalice of temptation
obviously
...
It's a logical consequence of the pick and choose fallacy. Some of these folks use the reasoning that the bible doesn't explicitely state that women should be bishops so therefore they shouldn't be. In particular, the fact that Jesus had 12 male disciples is used in defence of this.
It only falls apart when you consider that the bible doesn't explicitely state that in serving the lord you should carry a massive gold stick and dress like a twat - but many senior clergy choose to regardless.
They're just being all British about Roosevelt's saying:
"Speak softly and carry a big stick"
the 12 apostles were all Jews as well
and what about mary magdelin
i thought she was menat to be a deciple, and wrote a gospel, but was written out of things by the church
their main arguement
seems to be that all the original bishops were men, and so jesus only intended men to be bishops.
Well they didn't have positive discrimination back then.
It makes me really angry.
Especially how it gets justified by saying "the text forbids it", etc. You can justify just about anything you like from the text, its full of contridictions.
Morons.
and lots of mistranslations too
some quite intentional I'm sure
:O
It said "Celebrate"
It said "Celebrate"
Probably only said it once though.
Darned computer...
It was Eve who got Adam to eat the apple.
Women are therefore responsible for all the world's evil.
Unless you follow Greek (is it Greek?) Mythology in which case it was Pandora who opened the box, in which case women are therefore resonsoble for all the world's evil.
But basically wherever there's evil in the world there was a woman to blame initially.
and don't forget Lillith.
she was PROPER evil and all because she was created equal to Adam..
They don't have a problem
with people learning languages other than their own in contravention of the Tower of Babel parable, though, do they?
Unless you're Christian etc.
I really can't understand why it'd bother anyone. No, I don't agree with it, but I don't object to the church, as an institution, having their right to do it. Ultimately, they'll live or die by their decision. Leave 'em to it.
...
Can you really not understand why an organisation whose entire purpose is to tell us all how to live correctly, misapplying its own principles might bother anyone having to listen to and/or read about their tedious bullshit day after day for months?
It only tells you how to live correctly if...
you're a Christian.
If you're a Christian, then I can understand that you're entitled to hold a view as the Church will dictate to you how to live correctly.
But to me, as a non-Christian, they're just another institution or business who will live or die by their decisions. To me, any decision they make is an irrelevance, just as any decision McDonalds or Asda make is an irrelevance because I don't shop there.
...
Are you not also aware of the concept of evangelical Christianity of which the Anglican church concerned is technically a part.
I'm using "Christian" ambiguously,
and probably wrongly, as I couldn't be bothered getting technical with all different branches associated with it 'cuz there's so many. But you've pointed that out now.
isnt it illegal to discriminate on no good grounds though?
surely the church could be instantlaneously prosecuted on grounds of gender discrimination.....unless they can demonstrrate a good reason for this (saying that a text says this is nonsense...one might as well quote any book one likes then...mein kamf for instance)
unless bishops are required to undertake
intimate physical examinations of men or somesuch
If you take a look at the
do you think this speech makes some good points thread then you'll see that David Cameron seems to be making noises about society needing to be Re-Moralised. If the Morals he thinks we need are CofE then there being conflict within the ranks of the purveyors of that morality, over something as basic as women being able to do a job, could be worrying for everyone.
also
if I were a female Christian, I'd feel pretty let down by people who thought women weren't worthy of being bishops. Just because I'm not a Christian doesn't mean it's not shocking. Being a bishop is a job, this should have been sorted years ago under employment laws, and it only hasn't because of tradition.
Exactly
All the women should set up their own church. Then the old one will be a total sausage fest and nobody will want to go.
Get back to the kitchen and be quiet
I am a female Christian
that is all x
Can everyone ask you questions
about how this makes you feel?
sure
but I won't necessarily answer them. Plus I'm not C of E.
How does this make you feel?
Are you disappointed? Angry? Catholic?
I couldn't care less.
I think if God has called you into ministry then you go for it, whatever gender you are. I can understand however that there are some men out there who would find it difficult to be 'pastored' by a woman. That's their problem though. I'm not angry and I'm not Catholic.
So by default, you're disappointed
Thanks for sharing your views.
oh um
yeah, I'm disappointed in them for crying? I didn't really read the story.
If you're not Catholic and not Proddy, what are you?
she said she wasn't C of E!
zactly
well I am Protestant
just not C of E.
Oh right. How many blooming strains are there?
methodist? for one
church of ireland... another. *MOST NON DENOMINATION ALERT*
These are all protestant strains?
Bloody hell. Fucking Martin Luther.
loads
loads and loads. Loads.
I meant disappointed
with their attitude to women.
i think many men would enjoy being pastored by a woman rather than a man
'Bishop' is probably the funniest word in the English language
Also - these people are idiots.
Can I just be the first to say...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UieDo4GoRPE&feature=related
OMG!
THE BISHOP!
:O
THE BISHOP!
i think they're more upset that they can't ,ove in straight lines
all that walking diagonally must get frustrating.
*move
Love?
^
10/10
In case anyone didn't get it,
it's a chess joke.
i thought people would get it
even if you've only played a few times surely you'd get it. maybe it's a crap joke. ;(
DING DING DING!
Nice Squirrel
in Bishop-Bashing Shocker
[flickery rostrum footage of spinning newspaper]
this is where the state can come to the rescue and insist that if they bar women from the job
for no good reason, then they will be breaking the law and they must comply with it forthwith
unless the church maintains that
you can break the law if your concience dictates it....which id be fine with
I can't see the state doing that
unless it's unavoidable. Huge shit storm waiting to happen.
but why not....its pretty clear cut
women should not prevented from taking a role that they are capable of, merely on the basis of gender
Cut them some slack eh?
At least they are now letting women occupy significant religious leadership roles, which is a damn sight better than the roman catholic church, pretty much every school of islam and most of orhtodox judaism have managed.
*orthodox
.
yeah, that is great
I probably didn't emphasise enough how good it is that progress has been made, I was too busy being outraged at the lame crying bishops crying at the presence of women.
yes its a wonder they have any tears left
for the worlds unfortunate
nah
they're too upset they're not allowed to think of women as a lesser kind of people to worry about anything beyond dover