I mean, I have heard the rumours of petulant hissy fits in the studio and so on. But, I have not heard any first accounts of what has happened, therefore all I have to go on are rumours about Billy Corgan having hissy fits in the studio.
So why is Billy Corgan, argueably one of the most important and influential musicians of the 90's, so disliked by the British music press? Any ideas?
he's a really smug, difficult knob apparently
but he's good at music so it doesn't matter
We know
he's one of the most influential musicians of the nineties, but he's still a twat.
I think thats how they perceive.
He's a twatting genius.
Because he's bald
And you can't be bald, unless you're Ross Kemp, Stone Cold Steve Austin, or Gail Porter.
He wasn't on Gish and Siamese dreams.
Your theory holds no water.
Just like your bladder.
;-)
Christ
you can't be bald if you're Gail Porter. Never seen anything as wrong in my life.
Or Phil Selway
although there is a slight Radiohead backlash of sorts...
^ and ^, I have followed Billy C
since around 93, I have got every album he has been involved in, and I have never seen this evidence of him being a twat.
I am most confused to be hones, hence the thread.
i have every single pumpkins album too
and I like them as much as the next man but I have to say he does come across as an up his own bum humourless prima donna from what i can ascertain in interviews. This was further given some creedance (to me at least) when my brother met him at a recent signing. Rest of the band = compliant and reasonably cheerful and signed my brothers records. Corgan = aloof and acted like he was above it all. And I think he models himself on Uncle Fester but thats quite endearing actually.
Well, fair enough, but he also has a hugely loving
side towards his fans, that I have witnessed a number of times.
I suppose
I have based my opinions on what I've read in the press. Maybe someone should look on youtube for evidence.
Well, that's what I am saying. Everything is just hearsay.
I am sure he is an awkward son of a gun, but I don't think he deserves the out and out hatred that he has had over the years from the likes of NME.
He's
just a serious guy, and I've seen interviews where he has blown his own trumpet ("technically I'm one in 300 million"). I am a massive fan of his and think he's a musical genius.
I just cannot get past his voice.
Smashing Pumpkins had some fantastic songs (eg '1979', the opening line to which I thoughtfor years was 'Shagged out 1979') but I just cannot comprehend why anyone would want to sing like that.
He sounds like Cyril Sneer from Racoons.
Bizarrely, I once saw him go on a wrestling programme and get completely poleaxed. Mad cunt.
because he paid to murder Kurdt Cobane.
fact
Why would he do that, Cobain offered no real competition?
As said previously,
he's perceived as being a bit of a cock, but is responsible for AT LEAST 2 of the 90s greatest albums. To be fair, he could be out there stabbing innocent victimes in the earr with a rusty auld knife, he'd still have made Adore, which is as near a perfect album as I've heard in many a year.
To quote Sharon Osbourne
"He's a baldy twat in a dress."
to quote sharon osbourne
"blah blah blah blah blah blah blah"
to quote Sharon Osbourne
'Listen, Missus'
The plastic-faced old hag.
:D
why
would anyone want to quote sharon osbourne!?
i wish it was 1993
and i wish Smashing Pumpkins were still the best band in the world apart from Nirvana and REM. Music sucks these days. Where are all the great bands?
I mourn with you
...
He probably doesn't kiss their arse
Most music journalists seem to me to be the type of people that are desperate to be with the in crowd. The people they most want to be in with are the famous musicians. Therefore if you don't flatter them by pretending to be best friends they tend to hate you.
because he says things like
'people see me like some kind of tortured poet'. i think that probably how he'd like people to see him.
i DiSpute he's important...
... he says nothing to me about my life.
Yet they love Amy Winehouse
He's a genius, but a bit of a pompous dick.
I read some quote that slagged him off for playing all of the instruments on Siamese Dream, made him out to be a control freak, but when Dave Grohl does it, he's hailed as a legend.
In all fairness
the amount of work Corgan put into Siamease Dreams isn't justified by anyone. Wasn't he in the studio for 30months doing EVERYTHING bar the drumming.
And he got the sound pretty much perfect
so he got what he wanted which probably couldn't of been done by anyone else and it's great.
When he was in Zwan
one of the band members in the interview said Corgan flipped his lid when she said she didn't know much/any smashing pumpkins. He ranted about Tonight Tonight being played during the superbowl.
He's got a point
You can judge a lot of someone, especially intelligence, if they like The Smashing Pumpkins.
Well, that lady was apparently supposed to be a bit of an idiot.
She started copping off with one of the other band members or something didn't she?
She was also in the Silver Jews for a while.
It was Pajo who slagged him off (a bit)
"When I was in Zwan, Billy got so mad at me when he found out I didn't know any Smashing Pumpkins songs. He would say, "You haven't heard '1979'?" But I didn't listen to any of that shit when it was breaking. Delta blues was way more exciting to me than the Pumpkins and that whiny voice. [Laughs.] I knew that one "rat in a cage" lyric, but that was the only Pumpkins I could recognize for the longest time. But, yeah, Billy would get really mad about that: "How can you not know 'Tonight, Tonight'?" [Laughs.]
AVC: But Zwan didn't even play Smashing Pumpkins songs, right?
DP: No! But that's one of the reasons I initially liked the guy—he was so arrogant, it cracked me up. He would constantly bring up the fact that he sold 25 million records, or that his hit song was played at the Super Bowl or something. It just made me laugh. You know that character Alan Partridge, the one Steve Coogan played? Billy reminds me of Alan Partridge if he'd made a hit record. But after a while, the joke wears off."
JC Jug's post -
case closed. Corgan is a twat. I still like his music though.
I disagree, I would be pretty aghast myself.
and anyhow, Pajo was a complete cock, she never should have been in the band anyway.
wow
that explains why courtney love shagged steve coogan...! it's all making perfect sense now!
Wow!
An American who can quote Alan Partidge. That has done nothing but prove how cool David Pajo is.
I dont think
anybody that likes the Smashing Pumpkins can really complain about Billys attitude. His music is all about self-indulgent, teenagery, isolationist, separatist feelings. Thats why its so good. Obviously this man is going to be a harbinger of twattish feelings.
heh
it's pretty apparent he has the potential to be a total cock, he has been and most likely will be in the future (hence I'm referring to the forthcoming Gish reissue as the Gash boxset, even worse a tour will follow, sigh)...
Case for the offence:
- 8 different versions of Zeitgeist
- Making a huge campaign to find the twins on the front of siamese dream, when he finally meets their mother all he can say is "oh, hello..."
- At the last UK show in 2000: james: "ladies and gents, mr billy corgan!" <crowd goes mental> billy (to james): "and what the fuck was your name again?"
- Turning Zwan from a greatly prolific small band into failed stadium rock
- Announcing the reformation of the pumpkins on the day of release of his solo album
- not even contacting the two original members about reforming the band
- he asked courtney to go on holiday with him a month before kurt died
Still, good musician...
probably because
even now, the british music press don't like to admit that as much as they may dislike billy corgan...he's still better than than most of the formulated brit pop that our music industry is pouring out at the moment as our mainstream.
Thanks amyblue, some good information there.
Drown
Love that song.
moonmins
love that cartoon
Zwannn?
'coz Zwan were shit...or was it Zwam? i can't remember. Either, considering it was Dave Pajo, it was still a load of cock and bull
ask the audience
at the last nottingham pumpkins show if he's a cock or not.
Because he quit briefly
to write poetry that was appalling but that he clearly thought was touched by genius?
I really don't like people who have no discernible sense of humour, however good they are. And neither do the press.