is he actualy genuine about this? because, if he is, then you have to question the man's intellect. it wouldnt remotely surprise me if he was just forking out all that money for some joke that only he is in on. i dearly hope that is the case.
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I don't really care
^ this
All the other whacky cult fucks can go climb a wall of dicks, but Becky Beckforth the 3rd is a fucking God.
sounds like
you need a free stress test and a sit down with tom cruise!
this^^
i get the impression Beck has been a Scientologist for years and years though.
who cares. The key question is if Modern Guilt is (going to be) any good
Oh, it is. It is.
hmmm
i still need to think and hear it a bit more... sure is a bit different
I think he grew up with it
and isn't actually a member more a sympathiser
it is a bit annoying that he
is involved in the whole scientology thing, but i wouldnt stop listening to his music just because of his religious preference, scientology is probably just a tax scam anyway
He plummeted in my estimation
when I found out he was a scientologist. As with Jason Lee. To call it a religious preference is misguided; it's a grand money making scheme set up by a writer of sub standard science fiction to fleece the gullible and rich.
well...
perhaps, but ignore all the Lord Gorgorotha and the overlords in their spaceships bit and it would appear that people use it as a sort of self-help thing and if they want to do that then that's their own choice. If they want to give their money to that cause it's their choice, but if they start trying to manipulate things and screw people over because of it then that's when it becomes objectionable.
I guess I see it from this perspective as I'm a quaker and even though I don't really like religion as a whole I use it as a certain lifestyle guide, but the amount of ignorance from people is astounding, "oh so you eat porridge do you snark snark".
On the other hand there's evidence that perfectly reasonable and rational people believe in mass genocide of certain ethnic races, so...
You can rationalise anything,
even the ting tings.
Shame about beck though.He'll probably get bored with it though
Self help is fine...
and of course people have the right to choose their own way of life, its the manner in which it's done that is unnerving. Any 'religion' that requires you to pay to progress through its various levels is dubious in my book. They seem to have more in common with organizations such as the Masons or Skull and Bones; a bizarre back scratching service for actors and musicians with more money than sense. Incidentally, I have no beef with the Quakers, who generally seem to be a lovely bunch with a healthy world view!
better a scientologist
than a christian or muslim or jew. but yeah, organized religion is shit.
why?
they have hundreds of years of history behind them. scientology was invented by a greedy shit george lucas. and george lucas is shit anyway, which shows how rubbish scientology is.
hundreds of years of history doesnt make it right
and hundreds of years of history with numerable conflicts and killing seems to suggest its not all that great.
apparently
it was one of the things that caused tension when the Flaming Lips toured with him
his parents are prominant scientologists
and he's married to giovanni ribisi's sister, and their family are prominant scientologists too.
doesn't make him any less cool
People above
Anyone who judges someone based on religous faith, beliefs etc is an utter twat Underyourbed, twentynine. People should be judged by there actions ever heard that one?
Erm...
...so we shouldn't judge murdering tyrants because of their beliefs...? Read up about Scientology. It's a nasty mess.
True dat
If you're a scientologist, you're either evil, or pretty stupid. End of.
no you should judge them on that
but also on the actions they take.
given that scientology has not really done anything worse than any of the recognised religions i dont see how you can take such a harsh view on that, but not with other religions.
read the bible, its also a nasty mess.
Yes. but
I think people hold no truck with scientology because it was created by a man whose sole purpose was to create a religion in order to get rich.
did the lord not say
judge not lest ye be judged? Anyway, the ku klux klan consider themselves a religious organisation, so should I not judge them? I think its perfectly reasonable to judge people based on their religious beliefs. the word judge doesnt necessarily have to have negative connotations. As far as scientology goes, they are not a nice group of people. notoriously quick to threaten nay-sayers with legal action. at least other religions have to good grace to be underhanded about the money they take from people, as opposed to charging fee's. Hubbard said 'if you want to make money, start a religion' so thats what he did. and as for the self hep thing, there's no such thing as self help. if someone helps you, you were helped. if youre helping yourself, then you didnt need help.
'notoriously quick to threaten naysayers with legal action'
hmm... cant think of a time when any other religious organisation have done that!
you boring man
If I stopped listening to music because of the religious belief of the people who made it..
... the I'd no longer be able to listen to Low, Sufjan Stevens, Current 93, 16 Horsepower, Retribution Gospel Choir, Johnson Mountain Boys (and virtually any bluegrass band you care to mention), Bach, Mozart or Beethoven. It's annoying, but there you go.
On the other hand, I explicitly do judge people on their religious beliefs. Amongst other things. If you reject logic and instead are influenced by something because lots of other people are influenced by it, and are unprepared to argue your position, then I'm unlikely to have a lot of respect for you.
Scientology isn't officially recognised as a religion...
Find some facts to support your bile, dick. And how about if these beliefs are damaging the believer? Besides, people's religious beliefs are a very good indicator of their outlook on life; informing, as they do, their code of behaviour. Don't start flinging insults my way until you've been some research. Prick.
^^^
To Anthonye
he grew up a scientologist
stopped being one at the beggining of his career and now totally is. i dont think intellect has anything to do with it, but scientology does try to keep its children badly educated so that they cant rationalise out of it
www.lermanet.com/beck/
is all you could ever want to know about the subject, and an interesting read
He's 3rd generation
So he was born into it. Regardless of this fact he's still putting out amazing music and his religious views don't change how amazing the music is. Sorry.
Jason Lee is a scientology guy :[ ?
^^So is Tom Cruise!
Almost the entire cast of My Name Is Earl
are scientologists. Ethan Suplee who plays Randy and Giovanni Ribisi who plays Ralph are scientologists. So was William S Burroughs, Juliette Lewis, Nancy Cartwright and Kenickie from Grease. There's loads of cool ones
Jesus wept
It's a UFO religion!
Burroughs toyed
with it at the start and left quickly before criticising it for the rest of his life. he experimented with it just as he did with peyote, smack, reich's orgone theory, etc etc.
some words from burroughs on scientology:
http://www.suburbia.com.au/~fun/scn/etc/wsb3.html
also; taking him out of your list, you cite ZERO COOL PEOPLE.
to quote
'The shoddy presentation, the reactionary opinions, the preposterous claims, the atrocious writing are so immediately repellent that few intelligent people can be persuaded that Scientology is worth a second glance.'
wasn't the whole thing
supposed to be one great big bet between Burroughs and Kurt Vonnegut to see if Burrough could create his own religion and sucker people in?
Vonnegut and L. Ron Hubbard
And it's a rumour. It's a neat and convincing rumour, but a rumour nevertheless. Certainly, Vonnegut and Hubbard knew each other and both had an interest in inventing Sci-Fi religions. Although Scientology was a development of Hubbard's "Dianetics" self-help thing, and was only really called a religion for tax and legal reasons.
sorry i had William Burroughs on the brain
as I am reading his stuff at the mo. Yep, it was Hubbard.
Juliette Lewis is not cool
she's just plain annoying and is try to hard to be rawwwwk. It's embarrassing...
just as nancy cartwright
is just a woman with a high voice. we're not talking about tom waits level of cool here are we?
nooo
but jason lee, giovanni ribisi and kenickie from grease are easily cooler than 90% of people
Seriously though
is it any more ridiculous that Christianity? No. No it's not.
no
but there aren't any documents written by god saying 'lol i am totally inventing this shit and all these suckers are gonna fall for it'
yeah but people dont say
oh hes a christian! i wont listen to him anymore!
i keep on having to defend scientology on this board. yeah its a load of shit, but why is it any worse than any other religion? ITS NOT!
it's not even legally identified/accepted as a religion
in this country.
i would say that suggests that it is perhaps a little bit more *iffy* than other religions.
see: cult.
it is!
i did a case on it, the religious and racial hatred act (or something, i forget the full title) recognises scientology as a religion for the purposes of the act.
Im not saying it is in all cases, but i just cant see the justification for saying its horrible, whilst not disliking other religions, which are in all reality, equally misguided.
I think scientology is a load of bollcoks, but its not really any worse than any other religion.
i never said i liked other relgions
i would classify the majority of them as evil mind warping instruments of humanity misguidedness.
How many people have been murdered/raped/crucified/beaten/so on... under the supposed guidance of the bible (as interpreted by its readers). A fucking shit load.
So i am clearly not defending other religions.
but back to beck.
i just think it's a fucking shame if this is the case. being born into it is no excuse either. if he's chosen to follow suit with scientology, what a fucking idiot really.
i think being born into things makes it a bit more difficult to depart from it
i dunno really.
i dont really care what beck chooses to believe though, if he makes an album i enjoy, ill listen to it.
where do you draw the line though?
if i disagree with set of ethics/beliefs/etc of a person, i tend not to endorse that person/their music/their product.
If hitler released an album, even if it was GREAT, would you buy it? would you listen to it? would you rave about it? etc... an extreme example, but the same principle nonetheless....?
godwins law
but i see your point, i just think generally when it affects other people negatively. its a difficult issue,and im not entirely sure of my answer, but the views on scientology are just blatant examples of where people have double standards.
yes i think you're right.
people do have double standards about these things.
Having said that.. you can't put all religions/cults/beliefs/morals into a box, and label them a certain level of 'evil' or 'wrong'.
I don't think it's necessarily the religion or 'belief system' that is the problem, it is the people that manipulate/use/exploit it to their own advantage and for their own purpose, often to destructive and warped ends. (External to that belief systems original purpose/intent...mostly..).
I guess this is where i tend to separate scientology from other religions, because i don't think its foundations lie in anything to do with love/hope/faith/reason/allthatshit... The foundations of other religions (not all) can/do occupy this purpose. providing a sense of hope/guidance/purpose for those people. It CAN be misinterpreted by its worshippers however.
In the case of scientology, no misinterpretation is needed. if you read about the general beliefs within scientology, you'll discover it's already completely fucking nonsense.
i really have no idea what my point is to be honest.
i think all religion is a load of shit, and for the weak, who don't have the strength to follow their own set of personal beliefs and ideologies, so they just follow someone elses like a sheep.
i agree with all of that for the most part
but you could argue that scientology is based on self help principles and stuff, so its not completely based on taking peoples money.
i think it is nonsense too, but i also think its probably as plausible as any other religion, just as its new it comes across as some kind of sci fi thing, whereas older religions are based on ancient beliefs, that are in reality just as strange.
it is a crock of shit though, but when you look at stuff that has gone on in the past in the name of a religion, they have just as much to answer for.
yep, i pretty much agree. and on a lighter note,
i think that south park episode on scientology sums it up pretty well. and the writers didn't even have to bullshit the script or exaggerate the ridiculousness of it. which just says it all.
Well sorry i didnt mean you personally
i meant it more as a general point, it seems to me that people get all up in arms about scientology and threaten to not listen to an artist over it. But dont care if the artist is of any other religion.
and that doesnt make sense at all to me.
WHO REALLY GIVES A FUCK IF HE'S A SCIENTOLOGIST?!
because there is now a 99% chance that his lyrics have been encrypted with subliminal messages...
that will turn us all into scientologists and make us sporadically kill people at his/scientologists will.
probably.
Well you do make a very good point!
He's banging on about it all the time like Tom Cruise is he?
So why fucking care?
He's not*
oops
*subliminal messages*
he's already got to you hasn't he? hasn't he??
another one bites the dust. sigh.
the only possible scenario in which scientology becomes a viable religion or philosophy
is in a post apocolyptic setting but I think it will have to compete with many new religions at that point.
There already is
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=beck+subliminal+messages&search_type=&aq=-1&oq=beck+subliminal+message
I don't know, I think I gotta judge Beck a little
From what I KNOW about scientology you can't be playing with a full deck to get involved. I know two lonely bachelor types who got into it and as soon as there life savings were gone their rise in the organization (can't call it a church) stopped. The only way they could rise furter was to become auditors and fleece newcomers of their cash- it was like some kind of quasi-relligious corporate cult mash-up. Too bad he didn't find Mormonism or become a Mason or something that wasn't so obviously asinine. As to the effect it will have on his music- who knows. Most of the high profile celebrity/entertainer type who succumbed to the idiocy that is scientology have tended to start making bad career choices. I guess Will Smith's last movie is incredibily bad and Hollywood insiders point to his becoming a Scientologist for that decision although many say it was a problem movie with a problem director (just heard about that on the radio yesterday).
I'm sorry but my respect for Beck as a person has diminished some and I question his judgement but as an artist we'll have to see. I am reminded of his song "Ozzy" in which he pokes fun at Ozzy Osbourne (a really funny song) but at least Ozzy didn't get sucked in by scientology- who's laughing now?
hes always been a scientologist though hasnt he?
wasn't beck's grandfather involved with toe formation of Scientology
he's got more of an excuse than most people then.
Toe formation?!
MAN, that sounds AWESOME! Where do I sign!?
if by "toe formation" you mean uvula response inhibiter
then yes, I suppose it would be excusable.
yah
well the last song on the information was all about scientology...which made me cringe. BUT!!! the song was ace. so i dont care. its not like tom cruise is a scientologist wizard and making good films, they are all shit! At least Becks creative.