I've never bothered to watch there coverage that much on sky, do they split it into stage by stage on the interactive bit, or is it just re-runs of the enemy or the feeling from the night before and other crap like that?
is all Radio 1 DJs fellating themselves, while pausing momentarily to catch their breath and annouce their love for mud, the Glastonbury vibe, and some shit middle class major label band.
You do often get some interesting choices of bands - I remember watching Tokyo Police Club's set on interactive last year, and Bat For Lashes - but on Saturday and Sunday they seem to allocate one screen to showing a band from the previous day's main stage.
I thought it was actually pretty good. Showed a good mix of all types of music bands, with an obvious slant on the most popular acts, but surely that is to be expected from the BBC? I'll be tuning in again this year.
maybe the best place to watch coverage would be on user-generated sites like YouTube - there was quite a bit of content on there last year, and with more and more people having decent vid cams on their mobiles, we might see more this year. anyone know any specialist websites where festival goers upload their clips?
to enthuse wildly about some reggae band on the jazz/world stage before waddling onstage to sing along with some ska/two-tone band who have managed to get themselves surprisingly high on the other stage line up
But they're all kind fuckwits arent they. The backstage area is the WORST fucking part of the whole festival. Too many coke heads and too many fucking shite record label smoochie cunts!
I remember when BBC wouldn't do coverage of The Other Stage and prefered the Main Stage which meant every fucker got to watch Skunk Anansie "tear it up" rock style ( yeah right ). While Mogwai blew eveyone a new arsehole headlinging the Other Stage by opening up with a 25 minute version of Fear Satan, then finishing all the audience off with a 30 min banging version of Like Herod, before going into a rant about killing the queen and taking ecstasy. Glory Days.
BBC Coverage - Prepare for Kate Nash repeats CONSTANTLY.
Hopefully Jay Z will show those fuckers what its all about.
Big Pimpin.
were both great great acts, i would prefer a live feed from the Jazzworld to take up one channel, a feed of the Other stage to take up another, one from the Pyramid, one from the Peel then one around different stages.
Rather than the current Feeling/Hoosiers/KT Tunstall/Young Knives repeats
horribly awkward interview between edith bowman and the ting tings taking place right now. why is he wearing sunglasses when its a) evening and b) miserable weather!? grrr
why are they showing such shit bands? Godamn Fratellis on now and, no lie, they're DOING A DRUM SOLO. Already had to put up with Ting Tings, Editors, The Feeling....about only half decent thing was one song by Foals. I wish we could have a whole show dedicated to the smaller stages. Much more interesting.
must be spinning in his grave with Reverend & the Makers appearing on his stage
I think there should be a show dedicated to the smaller/underground acts even if it's late night on BBC 3/4. Battles are quite obviously going to be the best band there but the BBC will probably show 2 minutes of 'Atlas' (if that) then go back to talking about some of the "characters" they've met by the Avalon stage
Fratellis again......aaaargh. And Editorzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Then I remembered the red button, but there's little salvation there either. But then again, that's what you get for being in on a Friday night I guess, though I can't help but think it's all a little unfair on people who don't have a life.......
little rallying call for hip-hop from Lupe Fiasco was pretty cool, although BBC had obviously edited together what they showed from his set - one song he had a jacket, next he didn't! C'mon.
I've given up watching now - its a choice of The Fratellis and The Gossip and I'd rather choose this.
coverage has been very dull so far (however, I will check out Rob Da Bank's highlights show), but I'm wondering about how much of the content will appear online (on iPlayer or bbc.co.uk/glastonbury)?
these are the only stages the BBC are covering.
They seem to be filming the majority of later acts on said stages.
I'm not loving the coverage however the bands featured may not be your cup of tea but surely it's better than just the highlights on BBC2?
and well its boring. Kings of Leon are making me wish Jonathon Ross hadn't just finished its that dull.
I tryed watchin some earlyer on BBC3 but they kept playin crap like fritellies and editors, the only saving grace was a little bit of lupe Fisaco and he wasnt all that.
other than we are scientists who had two or three songs earlier and KT ... jimmy cliffe is on bbc4 probably best to abandon the others and stick with him
Milk, I think it's called, but the rest of the coverage has been dull. BBC4 are showing Jimmy Cliff, but I wish they'd dedicate some time to the more non-radio friendly bands.
I think KoL are brilliant, after watching the coverage I now really really want to see them live. And well it's hard to tell due to the darkness On Call at least was a massive singalong.
annoys me how they interrupted the set for the bad sound of Jimmy Cliff, no offence but he is a bit past his prime
I thought they were boring then as well, I'd just come from the arcade fire though so was still picking my jaw up off the ground. I really love their last album and would love to see them now they've got it in their repotoire
put in a stellar performance, there was an air of Glastonbury magic. From my seat anyway.
The crowd wasn't physically that reactive but the overwhelming singalongs for 'Milk', 'Fans' and 'Charmer' really surprised me and surely prove that they were after all big enough to step up?
Kate Nash opening the festival
The festival was opened by Kate Nash
This is how the festival was opened, by Kate Nash...
Did you see how brilliant Kate Nash was when she opened the festival?
etc...
the fact i'm only just watching any coverage now this morning, on the red button iPlayer thing, and being able to fast forward through the Fratellis set. Technology is ace.
A mildy irritated Shakin Stevens
The Young Knives playing a Shakin Stevens song
The Radio 5 presenters taking the piss out of Shakin Stevens
A roving reporter telling us that Shakin Stevens is late starting
The Radio 5 presenters not knowing what Glastonbury Tor is
Seasick Steve told he looks like the granddad from Dukes Of Hazzard
I thought they were good but not great. They never seemed to reach the big transcendent crescendo that a truly great festival headline slot needs to separate it from one which is merely good.
Unless the BBC was just too busy repeating Editors/TingTings/Fratellis to show it.
Seriously, I'm not expecting some obscure side-stage DiS cult band to get any coverage but even on the main stages there are more than just two or three bands playing who they could cover.
they are showing awful The Enemy again. Fratellis? - Fair enough, but The Enemy? :o They showed them last year, and now again.
Who chooses these bands? Bring us Vampire Weekend, Manu Chao, Ida Maria, Ben Folds or even Roisin Murphy if you like.
At least MGMT and Candi Staton was good.
an Elbow/Hot Chip show with only 2 Elbow songs and no Hot Chip at all. And why aren't Massive Attack even getting a look-in on tonight coverage? I feel cheated. :(
it's all Winehouse at the moment. Edith says it's the biggest crowd she's ever seen even more than Coldplay or Radiohead, I've switched over to Black Kids on one of the redbutton channels because Winehouse appears to be utter crap live.
she's not nearly as bad as she could have been. For someone with a massive drugs problem, and supposed emphesema, I think she's doing pretty well, and to get a little sentimental about it all, I hope that seeing a crowd like this - whether they're there to support her or to witness a potential car crash - could give her the impetus to turn her life around properly. Or maybe she'll just use the money to buy more crack, who knows...
so far i've discovered my freeview box is broken and i couldnt watch Elbow, and i've heard a bit on 6 Music. Black Kids still sound shit, Neon Neon had awful sound but still are awesome, and Foals still *yawwwn*
stupid Lavern. I'm getting so pissed off with shitty presenters at the minute and also with the bbc's "lets be cool and mainstream" with both proper mainstream music and in terms of indie.
I'm doing my best not to care to much cause the only people i really wanted to see at Glasto who i havent seen before are Neon Neon and Leonard Cohen...
The Great Skua, No Lucifer, Down On The Ground. Three songs, not one of which feature Yan on lead vocals. Well done. (They definitely have more, as Waving Flags was on BBC2 earlier)
at the criminal lack of Massive Attack. They headlined the other stage, i've been watching all night and have only seen one song (which i only caught the end of. on the other hand Jay-Z, Amy Winehouse, Buddy Guy and Joan Armatrading have been on at least three times each. Massive Attack are brilliant and i don't see why the coverage has all but ignored them.
was on red button a lot last. He was really good from what I saw, I dint really dig his album but that live performance was ace. He did appear to have Gary Glitter on keyboards though
both
usually split for bigger acts and headliners and endless reruns the rest of the day
cool
Thanks, I think I'll just really really hope they decide to show some battles as they're fairly high up (even though its on one of the smaller stages)
I think
they'll probably put a lot of stuff on the website this year. iplayer and all that
BBC3
seem to be dedicating their time to showing entire sets rather than odd hihglights.
Fully expect
Jo Wiley sat crossed leeged and bare footed on a hay bale advising us that The Hoosiers were "sublime".
Can I just put a fiver
on Bowman saying Editors were her favourite band of the festival... even if they're not playing?
Will see call them
Edithors?
BRING BACK JOHN PEEL!
oh
Zane Lowe's the new John Peel
Didn't you know?
* the new Tim Westwood
The new
Whoever it is that invented 'answering a question that somebody else has been asked, and taking 10 minutes to fucking well do it too'
:)
haha!
The coverage this year
is all Radio 1 DJs fellating themselves, while pausing momentarily to catch their breath and annouce their love for mud, the Glastonbury vibe, and some shit middle class major label band.
Then back to the fellatio.
...and occasionally
looking at the camera, cock in mouth, winking and saying a muffled "i think i've just had a Glastonbury moment"
^ for the record i consider this ^
to be the funniest thing I have ever posted. And yes, I know its wrong to laugh at your own jokes.
this made me laugh
enjoy your moment of glory haha!
....
big surprise?
It's horses for courses
You do often get some interesting choices of bands - I remember watching Tokyo Police Club's set on interactive last year, and Bat For Lashes - but on Saturday and Sunday they seem to allocate one screen to showing a band from the previous day's main stage.
They did show
Hold Steady too last year and you could see me and everything.
People slated this too much last year...
I thought it was actually pretty good. Showed a good mix of all types of music bands, with an obvious slant on the most popular acts, but surely that is to be expected from the BBC? I'll be tuning in again this year.
User-generated content
maybe the best place to watch coverage would be on user-generated sites like YouTube - there was quite a bit of content on there last year, and with more and more people having decent vid cams on their mobiles, we might see more this year. anyone know any specialist websites where festival goers upload their clips?
expect Phil Jupitus
to enthuse wildly about some reggae band on the jazz/world stage before waddling onstage to sing along with some ska/two-tone band who have managed to get themselves surprisingly high on the other stage line up
I remeber seeing
Beirut's set last year, the coverage is good on the BBC minus the fuckin cunt that is the Jo Whiley. What-A-Prick.
Sorry to be another drag...
But they're all kind fuckwits arent they. The backstage area is the WORST fucking part of the whole festival. Too many coke heads and too many fucking shite record label smoochie cunts!
I remember when BBC wouldn't do coverage of The Other Stage and prefered the Main Stage which meant every fucker got to watch Skunk Anansie "tear it up" rock style ( yeah right ). While Mogwai blew eveyone a new arsehole headlinging the Other Stage by opening up with a 25 minute version of Fear Satan, then finishing all the audience off with a 30 min banging version of Like Herod, before going into a rant about killing the queen and taking ecstasy. Glory Days.
BBC Coverage - Prepare for Kate Nash repeats CONSTANTLY.
Hopefully Jay Z will show those fuckers what its all about.
Big Pimpin.
Good job I LOVE Kate Nash then!
You'll
fucking hate her by the end of the weekend.
x
Hah
Kate Nash moment now!
why isnt a band that open with a 25 minute song called fear satan that talk about drugs and killing
ILL NEVER KNOW
they're just playing
table football at the moment..
Fucking hell,
that looks like a big crowd for the Jazzworld stage.
Lupe Fiasco and Candi Staton
were both great great acts, i would prefer a live feed from the Jazzworld to take up one channel, a feed of the Other stage to take up another, one from the Pyramid, one from the Peel then one around different stages.
Rather than the current Feeling/Hoosiers/KT Tunstall/Young Knives repeats
Last Year...
I remember they put up loads of videos on their website, but the site was horribly designed and a bitch to navigate.
This year, the site seems to be quick well designed, but they aren't putting any videos up, damn it.
is anyone watching this on BBC3 now?
horribly awkward interview between edith bowman and the ting tings taking place right now. why is he wearing sunglasses when its a) evening and b) miserable weather!? grrr
Eww...
close up the girl from The Ting Tings is really rather unattractive.
^ this
I noticed that aswell.
are they showing the same Ting Tings song
on two different channels?
fucks sake, surely there's been more music than this today
What's wrong with
wee Scot's rocker KT Tunstall?
You could watch her too!
i only have
two channels of glasto and one of tennis
my telly mustn't be fancy enough
Fuck me
why are they showing such shit bands? Godamn Fratellis on now and, no lie, they're DOING A DRUM SOLO. Already had to put up with Ting Tings, Editors, The Feeling....about only half decent thing was one song by Foals. I wish we could have a whole show dedicated to the smaller stages. Much more interesting.
is it just me or is bbc coverage
less high profile this year? didnt they have a primetime bbc1 or 2 show last year every night?
It normally starts on BBC2 at 11, I think?
reruns of MOR indie on every red button
fuck it
John Peel
must be spinning in his grave with Reverend & the Makers appearing on his stage
I think there should be a show dedicated to the smaller/underground acts even if it's late night on BBC 3/4. Battles are quite obviously going to be the best band there but the BBC will probably show 2 minutes of 'Atlas' (if that) then go back to talking about some of the "characters" they've met by the Avalon stage
beth ditto - "let's here it for Jay-Z"
camera zoomed straight into the first black man it could find in the crowd
hmmm
what
the hell is this cover of smells like teen spirit!? It's like my ears have been flushed down a particularly nasty public toilet
are they showing the Editors set AGAIN
come aawwwwwn! :(
They're just repeating the same bloody bands
Fratellis again......aaaargh. And Editorzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Then I remembered the red button, but there's little salvation there either. But then again, that's what you get for being in on a Friday night I guess, though I can't help but think it's all a little unfair on people who don't have a life.......
I'm back to the Ting Tings
but will be watching Sylvia's demise in a few minutes...
The
little rallying call for hip-hop from Lupe Fiasco was pretty cool, although BBC had obviously edited together what they showed from his set - one song he had a jacket, next he didn't! C'mon.
I've given up watching now - its a choice of The Fratellis and The Gossip and I'd rather choose this.
I am sure
I watched Fratellis and Estelle about a hour ago. Tonnes of bands and the BBC repeats a handful, twats.
i think i've only seen 5 or 6 bands all night
but mostly editors and ting tings on endless repeat
KT was on earlier she was good but these repeats, it's not like it's even different songs from their sets, it's the same songs every time
FFS
Fucking Fratellis again?
if that's all the've got
I'd rather they just left me with Lauren and the bloke who used to play in Skrewdriver chatting.
bbc2
have got a "heart moving" mini-documentary on how glastonbury recovered from last year's festival. aww
Probably with the oodles of cash they make?
I was amazed how busy the tent was for the Tings Tings, was it just to escape the rain?
I've got bored of the coverage, and it's only Friday...same fucking bands over and over...
radio
coverage has been very dull so far (however, I will check out Rob Da Bank's highlights show), but I'm wondering about how much of the content will appear online (on iPlayer or bbc.co.uk/glastonbury)?
im getting pretty envious
watching this Kings Of Leon set, mainly because I would have been seeing them at oxegen but now can't afford to go. grrr.
Unfortunately
these are the only stages the BBC are covering.
They seem to be filming the majority of later acts on said stages.
I'm not loving the coverage however the bands featured may not be your cup of tea but surely it's better than just the highlights on BBC2?
I'm watchin BBC2 now
and well its boring. Kings of Leon are making me wish Jonathon Ross hadn't just finished its that dull.
I tryed watchin some earlyer on BBC3 but they kept playin crap like fritellies and editors, the only saving grace was a little bit of lupe Fisaco and he wasnt all that.
KoL are about the best it's been
other than we are scientists who had two or three songs earlier and KT ... jimmy cliffe is on bbc4 probably best to abandon the others and stick with him
This KoL song is quite nice
Milk, I think it's called, but the rest of the coverage has been dull. BBC4 are showing Jimmy Cliff, but I wish they'd dedicate some time to the more non-radio friendly bands.
the crowd
just aren't moving to KoL, this infuriates me for some reason
they're still recovering from being
literally bored stiff during the fratellis
Not up to your standards?
I think KoL are brilliant, after watching the coverage I now really really want to see them live. And well it's hard to tell due to the darkness On Call at least was a massive singalong.
annoys me how they interrupted the set for the bad sound of Jimmy Cliff, no offence but he is a bit past his prime
I'm not a fan of KoL
I saw them live once at Leeds and they were just boring and bad. I have one of their albums but I kinda wish I hadn't hehe.
was that 05?
I thought they were boring then as well, I'd just come from the arcade fire though so was still picking my jaw up off the ground. I really love their last album and would love to see them now they've got it in their repotoire
Never been
any kind of KOL fan but have to admit they sounded pretty darn good.
I think it was 05 yeah
they played before Foo Fighters who I didnt like either hehe
I havent really listened to them since then so I wouldnt know about the new stuff. Not realy my kinda thing I guess.
i was at The Tears
when the Foo Fighters were on. Me and about 50 other people..
Oh Lord
On Sky now, there's 2 red button channels showing The Enemy. What is the fucking point of showing the same fucking set on two channels?!
They need to hurry up
and show some decent highlights
I fucking love Panic at the Disco.
^this x1000000
Can't wait to see them at T in the Park.
Hello
What channel are they on?
They've finished now, sadly :(
But BBC2, in case they come back on. I wish they just showed their whole set.
I personally thought the Kings
put in a stellar performance, there was an air of Glastonbury magic. From my seat anyway.
The crowd wasn't physically that reactive but the overwhelming singalongs for 'Milk', 'Fans' and 'Charmer' really surprised me and surely prove that they were after all big enough to step up?
What a surprise
Last night's coverage was mostly wall-to-wall Editors.
and
Kate Nash opening the festival
The festival was opened by Kate Nash
This is how the festival was opened, by Kate Nash...
Did you see how brilliant Kate Nash was when she opened the festival?
etc...
i am enjoying
the fact i'm only just watching any coverage now this morning, on the red button iPlayer thing, and being able to fast forward through the Fratellis set. Technology is ace.
on the internet
there are now available performances from MGMT, Editors, Candi Staton, The Ting Tings & many more.
check out: http://www.bbc.co.uk/glastonbury/2008/videos/
All the interactive
channels are showing tennis.
Seen as though everyone pays for the BBC (well, not me being a kid..) they should try and cater for everyone too?
why is anyone suprised by this?
getting worked up about them ignoring a band that is ignored largely anyway is KERAZY
Where's the red button on the iplayer?
...or isnt there one?
there isnt one...
its an interactive service... why on earth would it need a red button?
.
no i mean u can't see all the 'red button' footage if u have no tv. :(
franz new song is here in case anyone wants it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skNwIY0hox8
Oh lord.
Did anyone see the coverage of Estelle?
She was fucking awful and her patter was terrible.
Radio 5 at work this morning
A mildy irritated Shakin Stevens
The Young Knives playing a Shakin Stevens song
The Radio 5 presenters taking the piss out of Shakin Stevens
A roving reporter telling us that Shakin Stevens is late starting
The Radio 5 presenters not knowing what Glastonbury Tor is
Seasick Steve told he looks like the granddad from Dukes Of Hazzard
i just want them to show the national
and i'll be fine with anything else they put up.
p.s. edith bowman LOVES EDITHORZZZ. who knew?
Kings of Leon
I thought they were good but not great. They never seemed to reach the big transcendent crescendo that a truly great festival headline slot needs to separate it from one which is merely good.
Unless the BBC was just too busy repeating Editors/TingTings/Fratellis to show it.
Seriously, I'm not expecting some obscure side-stage DiS cult band to get any coverage but even on the main stages there are more than just two or three bands playing who they could cover.
OMG!
they are showing awful The Enemy again. Fratellis? - Fair enough, but The Enemy? :o They showed them last year, and now again.
Who chooses these bands? Bring us Vampire Weekend, Manu Chao, Ida Maria, Ben Folds or even Roisin Murphy if you like.
At least MGMT and Candi Staton was good.
FINALLY SOME DECENT BBC3 COVERAGE!
British Sea Power on now interactive.
Hurray!
but im watching Duffy with sound down
:)
Just watching the shitty Wombats o the old interactive
The singer hair is thinning badly
He's going to be bald by the time he's thirty going by the spot on the back of his head!
It's
the only part of him that is thinning then.
elbow :)
this is better than all of last night already
Only
two songs though :-(
Yeah, but
how amazing was 'One Day Like This'? Actually fantastic.
that was a joke.
an Elbow/Hot Chip show with only 2 Elbow songs and no Hot Chip at all. And why aren't Massive Attack even getting a look-in on tonight coverage? I feel cheated. :(
I wish I had BBC3 :'(
nah
it's all Winehouse at the moment. Edith says it's the biggest crowd she's ever seen even more than Coldplay or Radiohead, I've switched over to Black Kids on one of the redbutton channels because Winehouse appears to be utter crap live.
But to give her credit
she's not nearly as bad as she could have been. For someone with a massive drugs problem, and supposed emphesema, I think she's doing pretty well, and to get a little sentimental about it all, I hope that seeing a crowd like this - whether they're there to support her or to witness a potential car crash - could give her the impetus to turn her life around properly. Or maybe she'll just use the money to buy more crack, who knows...
Hmm...
although she seems to be rapidly forgetting the verses to many of her songs. Maybe I spoke too soon.
uck
so far i've discovered my freeview box is broken and i couldnt watch Elbow, and i've heard a bit on 6 Music. Black Kids still sound shit, Neon Neon had awful sound but still are awesome, and Foals still *yawwwn*
mark radcliffe was pulling some great
couldn't care less expressions when lauren was gushing about foals last night - i was on his side.
grrr
stupid Lavern. I'm getting so pissed off with shitty presenters at the minute and also with the bbc's "lets be cool and mainstream" with both proper mainstream music and in terms of indie.
I'm doing my best not to care to much cause the only people i really wanted to see at Glasto who i havent seen before are Neon Neon and Leonard Cohen...
lavern and radcliffe kind of balance each other out
its the bowman/lowe combo who are the most painfully WE'RE LIEK SO COOOOOOOL
Dont forget ....
some heavily underestimated material on BBC4 too.
Any one else think that
a drugged up, boyfriend in jail, Wino singing A Message To You Rudy is a bit ironic?
That BSP red button set in full
The Great Skua, No Lucifer, Down On The Ground. Three songs, not one of which feature Yan on lead vocals. Well done. (They definitely have more, as Waving Flags was on BBC2 earlier)
Anyone noticed BBC2 aren't showing Jay-Z live?
Waving Flags
i saw it on BBC2... the sound was a bit iffy..
but the crowd looked boring as fuck. Compared to the last BSP gig I was at they were as lively as between the bands
considering Holy Fuck were on before BSP to.
IT'S WESTWOOOOOOOD DOGG
oh man
he makes Ali G look toned down
Ha ha
Noel Gallagher got owned!
this is much better than Oasis last headline slot
this is much better than Oasis last headline slot
ACDC Mashup!
This already blatantly rocks...
poor noel. its not his fault he's a soft arse.
haha the crowd chanting OASIS! OASIS! though... it sorta plays into noel s hands starting with wonderwall though.
What, that time Liam
sounded like Cilla Black?! That was hideous, wasn't it. This is fucking awesome though!
BUDDY GUY
FUCKING AMAZING. NO?
WHERE?
BBC4
NOW
When did Biffy Clyro become popular?
Lyyke Li
doin accoustic stuff back stage I love this tune...
I think I'm in love humana humana
edith bowman says
'here's ELBOW with GROUNDS FOR DIVORCE...'
isnt that a song ABOUT her? by her ex?!
lolocaust
.
No
That was an album or two ago, and given she always makes their singles and albums records of the week suggests she's got over it all.
I'd like to register my disgust
at the criminal lack of Massive Attack. They headlined the other stage, i've been watching all night and have only seen one song (which i only caught the end of. on the other hand Jay-Z, Amy Winehouse, Buddy Guy and Joan Armatrading have been on at least three times each. Massive Attack are brilliant and i don't see why the coverage has all but ignored them.
i've just been watching them on the red button thing
teardrop was ace
they were on the other channel
playing unfinished sympathy with candi statten
was that stephanie dosen
teardrop?
was that stephanie dosen on teardrop?
was that stephanie dosen on teardrop?
the second i pressed
'post reply', Massive Attack came on and I recorded it. I still think that was too little too late though. boo hiss BBC
srsly
what the fuck is with the amount of absolute shit on bbc2. Im tired of world fucking music you cunts.
Amy
wasn't TOO bad.
Now, BBC crew, can you put online some Manu Chao?
Thanks.
Manu Chao
was on red button a lot last. He was really good from what I saw, I dint really dig his album but that live performance was ace. He did appear to have Gary Glitter on keyboards though