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Should DiS use numerical scores?

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by ChrisJabe

I think they're a bit silly.

ChrisJabe | 01 Jun '08, 13:01 | Send note | Report this | Reply

yes

i am pretty dumb and sometimes i can't actually tell if a review is good or bad, so numerical scores really help me.

thanks dis


...

...this isn't a joke


Yep

we all get lazy some times and want a quick score outa 10. I'm happy to see an opinion in numerical form.


Yeah

Basically


but don't you get the feeling with albums

that you don't want to see it represented as a score?


It doesnt bother me to much

it gives you a little idea of what the reveiwer is thinking. But more wait goes to the main reveiw its self. In the end we all make up our own minds anyway


I think they're useful

they're good for having a look at the score and then seeing why the album deserved that score. As long as its not to the decimal point or the review is written around the score (*cough Pitchfork).


I think so.

There are lots of records that i think deserve more than a 7/10 but not quite an 8/10. Obviously it's for people to make their own minds up about a record, and they should get a clearer idea of whether something might be worth investigating by the content of the review, but sometimes, and because i'm a lazy bastard, i just flick through the scores and anything that gets an 8 i look into.


I like 'em.

I even like the Pitchfork decimal point style.

What I hate is marks out of 5.


I find the Pitchfork decimal style a bit silly

as it's obviously not an exact science and I find it a bit anal & inaccurate to pretend it is.

But I think it's a useful shorthand and obviously potentially helpful for bands to say they got x/10 from Drowned in Sound as it proves they liked it whereas purely word reviews can be inadvertently or willfully misinterpreted.


^ That

basically.


Well quite possibly.

But I've no mass issue for a marks out of 10 review anyway.

But my main point (bar that I find the Pitchfork system a bit pedantic and trying to present itself as more accurate than it can be) is that I'm in favour of numerical scores.

My preference of types of score probably does go
x/10 (including halves)

x/10 (not including halves)
and x/5 (including halves)

x/5 (not including halves)

x/100
and x/10 (including decimals)

x/randomly chosen number to appear different.


I quite like the AV Club's "school grades"

i.e. "A-", "B+", etc.


I like the Pitchfork system

i think there are loads of great albums that need to be differentiated by decimal points - there are plenty of 9/10 albums, for instance, but some of them are definitely better than others. It might be pedantic, but i think that all obsessive music fans (and im guessing there might be a few of them on here) are very pedantic. I like having a score as well, so that you can have a quick glance at a review that you wouldnt usually read and perhaps that gets your interest.


...and

i hate scores out of five, that tells you nothing really.


just double the score

and you'll get a score out of ten!

i like numerical scores because a) people write some amount of shite about music b) i'm lazy. And like someone said up there, it's difficult to tell if people actually LIKED the record or not sometimes (hello, plan b)


You don't get 7 though do you?

I think there might be some other odd numbers missing too.


numerical systems are great

to presume everyone wants to read every single review is slightly egotistical, a lot of people look for a good score and then skim read or read properly if they like it. to stop doing numerical scores would be DiS cutting of its' nose to spite its face


Nope

I want the review to describe it to me and then I'll decide on the basis of that. Otherwise, what's the point in the review in the first place?

Joe - www.anewbandaday.com


The problem with a mark out of 10 is...

What exactly are the criteria that you're marking it on? I mean, take the new Isobel Campbell / Mark Lanegan effort that I think got 5/10. Most of the reason that it rated quite badly was the fact that it wasn't a progression at all from the first album - they were just re-treading familiar ground. But if you don't have the first album, or you're not too fussed by musical innovation then surely it shouldn't be penalised for this.

Maybe records should have lots of marks out of 10?

Songwriting / 10
Variety / 10
Innovation / 10
stuff like that?
or would that be worse?


haha

that'd be a disaster. Absolutepunk do something like that (see http://absolutepunk.net/showthread.php?t=320779 for an example) and it's just a mess.


ooh you're right that's just horrendous.

What about erm... I don't know.... only using irrational numbers? erm.


i think that would be worse

as it breaks things down into aspects where for one album they are marked on criteria that is irrelevant to the quality of the album. its important to remember that basically all a review is, is someones opinion on how good the album is, in the context of what they know about the artist etc. it should be used as a guide, but isnt the be all and end all.


that's what specialist rap reviewers often do

a separate mark for the lyrics, the vocals and the beats, which is then averaged. But it really wouldn't work on a broader musical scale


there's this movie magazine

which has three criteria out of ten:
Anticipation /10
Enjoyment /10
In Retrospect /10

i think it's a pretty good system on the whole.


I prefer numerical categorisation.

I have always supported the .5 movement instead of full numbers, though.


They're shit

why would I trust some randomers idea of what is good?

I'd prefer to read about it and see if it sounds like it might be something I might dig, but I rarely do that anyhow.


Ahah.

Why not opt out of registering the score entirely? It's only there for readers seeking closure and a solidified, unmistakable judgement.


Oh

that was me just whingeing for fun. When I said "rarely" I meant never.

I think everything should be rated to three decimal places, so it's totally definite where it sits in the grand scheme of things.


Totally.


100%


I dunno

it could be argued that the number thing gives reviewers licence to write a load of tosh. As in, they can give something a score and that's their bit of informing the readership what they think of the music done with, so they can then grab their thesaurus and go on and write some stupid non-review.

So taking away the point thing may make certain writers actually review the music instead of treating music criticism as their creative writing output (not to say reviews can't be creative and interesting, and I'm not talking about here in particular, but reviews are there to serve a purpose which is often forgotten) and then they can go and get on with their novel or whatever they are trying to squeeze into a MUSIC REVIEW.

Also, scores like 7 and 8 out of ten pretty much mean nothing.


maybe some reviewing thing based on other records

like these - you'll like this

I have no idea though


an index score

based on greatness in comparison to the best record ever, which is...


Only use odd numbers.

There, sorted.


ChrisJabe/10





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