Does anyone know the law on this?
Basically I work in an office of three people(me and another full-time, the other working mornings only) and the other full-time person has today announced she'll be on leave the entire month of August.
Now there's a general rule where I work that I'm asked not to take leave when the other full-time person is on leave but August is the only month when my band's drummer is not working as a teacher and, thus as a result, the only month we can really do any touring. So basically I'm determined to do this regardless of what my work say.
But just in case they kick up a fuss I'm interested to know do my work have any legal right to stop me taking annual leave at a given time?
i'm fairly sure your contract will have all the details
^ not a sarky response by the way
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i'm fairly sure i have been involved in that
Sorry but I'm pretty sure they do
It massively sucks but I am pretty sure they can.
Were you needing the whole month off or just a couple of weeks?
Definitely not a whole month
We were talking about maybe a Wednesday to Sunday in Europe and then seeing what I can get around the UK around that. So one lot of a few days and the odd day.
I want to leave anyway so I'm not too fussed about having to quit over this if it comes down to it. I just want to make sure I starrt planning for a new job.
(obviousy we don't expect to conquer Eurpe in five days)
I just don't know where we're going yet.
Hmm, I'm not sure on the legality..
but for someone to take off the whole month of August, which is peak holiday period, and leave you unable to go on leave is a bit unreasonable. I think common sense dictates you should be able to take time off.
or
have a stategic long term illness
are you in a band ?
Yeah, I think they can.
Like, you *have* to take 3 days or whatever over Christmas. IT'S THE LAW.
they dont
foce peopel to use annual leave at christams everywer, i get those off anyway at full pay, same with all the bank holidays etc
we have to reserve a certain
amount of our annual leave for Christmas. There are a couple of 'company days' off, and bank holidays, but the rest comes out of our allowance (usually 2 or 3 days). The place is closed, couldn't really come in if I wanted to. Unfair :(
They probabky can
but given how unreasonable this is, you could push until they cave in.
by the way,
most places would have a problem with someone taking a whole month off.
*in a row like
Most places actually have managers that take an interest in the work.
Spectacularly we have 3 separate managers but are still woefully under-managed. General management policy towards admin staff where I work is ignore all problems on the assumption they'll solve themsleves somehow or other.
just book it off then
and wait for someone to realise the problem and then it will get sorted
Annoyingly I'll get in troubel
The policy towards leave is "sort it among yourselves" whcih basically translates as "if someone's called it they've got it and if you book it knowing someone's called it then you're causing us problems".
so cause a problem
they've caused one already!
they should have
checked with you before agreeing her having an entire month off you could ague.
Yes, they can. However,
the best way to do this is to plead. Or ad lib excuses, as i have done for Thursday and Friday of this week:
"i need to go and teach in the school for a day as preparation for my post grad; it's the only opportunity i'll get to do it and it'll really enhance my learning", when in reality i'm off to the Scottish Borders for a couple of days
They know full well I'm in a band
and the manager who I'll talk to's son is in a reasonably successful band so I'm sure he'll be understanding...
But annoyingly where I work aren't allowed temps so it completely fucks 'em over if people aren't there. Which is a stupd system.
hmmmm.
Perhaps just try to reason with him and come to a compromise? Aim high and work down from that, and if he gives you nothing then burn down his house and pillage his family
is your manager Sting?
His name is....Sting's son.
Umm.
Legally you're pretty much their bitch, I expect.
But if you guys have to cover for one another then it is absolutely not reasonable for them to allow someone to take a month off during the busiest holiday time of the year, without checking if you have plans to consider too.
A month would probably be considered 'extended leave' in some cases.
Depends on how long you've known; if you said a while ago that you've got no problem with them taking August off and have now changed your mind, you won't be in luck.
If now is the first you've been told of it, then I'm pretty sure your union rep would tell them to piss off. They can get proper cover, trained in advance, for one-month off person.
Folk who take a
WHOLE MONTH off in summer are c*nts.
I used to work with a woman who took the whole of July off every July.
She was a c*nt.
In the words of the elderly
"It shouldn't be allowed"
UPDATE:
I've emailed my managers to arrange to sit and have a chat with them (about this and several other matters relating to the complete and utter lack of management of myself or my colleagues) so I'll bring it up with them then...
Eeep... good luck with that
Take a list, or mentally revise a list of all the points.
DO NOT SHOW EMOTION!
It's not about how you feel, it's about what's correct and professional etc etc.
Unless that fails, in which case you bawl like a big baby.
I'd made the list already!
And don't worry - that's the angle I'm going to go for...
should've booked your holiday sooner
then it would've been the other person not going anywhere in August
The big question comes to mind:
If you've known about this for so why didn't you already put dibs, even tentatively, on time in August off?
Either way a month off is pretty much impossible to get in any work, even ones like mine where theoretically there's always someone able to take care of things so this is ludicrous.
Three weeks should be the upper limit your workmate can get off and even then I'd guess they're pushing it.
^ This
Anything over two weeks in any one block is pretty selfish in most organisations.
Pretty much because I assumed no-one was going to take the entire fucking month off!
I'm not fussed about when in August I take off and assumed there'd be at least one week free...
you've never worked
in the public sector have you?
it's
a permanent holiday...
Queens birthday this
weekend isn't it?
erm, no?
really?
I thought it tied in with the Spring bank holiday weekend
It is, isn't it?
Day off for you slackers on Tuesday?
Either that or I'm getting false information as well.
Friday or Tuesday
Gawd bless 'er
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I can see you having a bit-part in Eastenders. Minty's long lost brother, or something.
...
"You can ask to take your holiday whenever you choose, as long as you give your employer the right notice and take into account certain agreements between you and your employer. However, an employer has the right to refuse your request to take holiday, as long as they give you the right notice at the right time and take account of certain agreements between you.
Your employer can order you to take all or any of your holiday at a particular time, as long as they give you the right notice at the right time and take into account certain agreements between you.
The law does not put any limit on the amount of holiday you can take at any one time. This means you are not entitled to take two weeks of holiday at once, unless your agreement or employment contract says you can. This means that as long as an employer gives their employee the right notice at the right time, they could make you take your holiday as they choose, for example, take every Friday as leave until you have used up all of your holiday."
I love the way that
is so definitive in being completely non-definitive
Yeah
Every sentence is pretty much "Your employer can do X unless they can't"
I tried to book time off for december (ATP)
last week. they said no :(
what a cunt.
i'd kick the holidaying-for-a-month-in-summer fucker in the fanny.
whoops
that was slightly more aggressive than i had intended.
:D
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