by Hope of the States.

Astounding.

apparently thats quite rare? Was a printing error in the first run of copies i think.

Generally, i dislike 'hidden tracks', basically for not being hidden at all, and messing things up on iTunes!

The good ones are when the silence isnt too long and the track puts on a different spin on the album you just heard. Like at the end of 'Attack of the Grey Lantern' by Mansun, the hidden track just pokes fun at the whole concept album that preceded it.

the hidden track on Attack of the Grey Lantern by Mansun? don't know what its called but the lyrics go 'the lyrics aren't supposed to mean that much, they're just a vehicle for a lovely voice'.....i like that one.

Yes Tinnitus is the album. After the last song, you hear the whole album again speeded up to about 5 or 6 speed. Then you hear the whole album again in normal time. Mental.

where there's nothing put that low-pitched bell and background noise. That was quite weird, thinking the record had finished and then thinking I was hearing bells.

The other one's Klaxons - Four Horsemen. Nothingness for about 17 minutes then stupid alien noises at the end. That was quite off-putting the first time round.

the nine inch nails e.p 'Broken' is a 6 track e.p followed by 92 tracks of 5 seconds of silence, followed by 2 hidden tracks. I reckon thats the biggest gap I know of.
Then both the hidden tracks kick ass so its ok

about 5 hours after the album's finished. It is probably the best thing on it actually.

i think its songs for the deaf (it always seems to be) where if you press back after the first track theres a cool 'hidden track'
I think the latest Brand New album does too.

if a band thinks it's such a relevant piece of music to include it on the album, then why not just put it on as an 'official' track? or put it as a b-side? or something like that. i think they can take away a certain...i don't know what from an album.

it irritates me when i listen to nirvana when going to bed, put my ipod on shuffle and the first song to come on is 'all apologies' or something. in fact, 'something in the way' is one of my favourite nirvana songs, but it has 0 plays on itunes, because i just skip to the next song instead of waiting 16-odd minutes for the end. or 14 minutes for 'endless, nameless'.

blah blah blah moan moan moan

from guerrilla. you need to rewind the cd at the beginning.

...with a few exceptions. Eels didn't want to put "Mr E's Beautiful Blues" on "Daisies Of The Galaxy", but wrote it after his label said the album had no singles. Normally you'd hate a label for that, but we got one of their best tracks out of it. So I guess it makes sense if the artist has put together a complete "body of work" that they want you to hear, but there's also something else worth having.