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by cliffybyro

does anyone have any good websites on the history of post-rock?
I don't like wikipedia.
just re-read the Mike Diver article, and i find it quite interesting.

cliffybyro | 19 Mar '08, 13:16 | Send note | Report this | Reply

I wasn't expecting this.

I thought it was going to be either:

1) Another thread asking for post-rock recommendations.

2) Another thread moaning about how boring post-rock is.

I would also like to read a history of post-rock thingymajigger, I don't know of one though sorry.


ask the kids at

afterthepostrock.com


^ Good website

Go there


Postrock

afterthepostrock.com is pretty horrible.

I wrote loads of stuff about postrock, either directly or indirectly, at Stylus, including these little things;

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/weekly_article/bark-psychosis-the-stylus-interview-series-did-you-ever-hear-the-one.htm

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/seconds/disco-inferno-the-five-eps.htm

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/weekly_article/stranded-talk-talk-spirit-of-eden.htm

http://www.stylusmagazine.com/articles/staff_top_10/top-ten-postrock-albums.htm

It doesn't start with Slint, or Bark Psychosis (though that may be where the term began) or even Talk Talk, really; if it starts anywhere, it's probably CAN. But probably The Beatles, one way or another.


Argh

I should have replied to the main post. Apologies.


Also...

Can anyone supply a link to the Mike Diver piece, please?


1. Slint

there you go - the beginning of post rock


I htink they're probably after a bit more detail.

Maybe you could extend it another sentence or 2.


LOL!

thats cobblers anyway.....


Quite.

"Everyone" knows it was Talk Talk.

Though I'd say The Cure started it off with Pornography.

I'm no more wrong than everyone else.


history of post-rock

Once upon a time, there was a thing called rock. It died. Post-rock is what came after.

What comes after post-rock? post-post-rock? anti-post-rock? nu-post-rock? And why aren't there more post-genres? post disco? post folk? post country?


there's post-punk already

given that punk is so dead and all.

I don't mind genres, but their names are so awful. Spazzcore, in particular


it's when

one of them's got glasses and and at least two of them do a jerky dance = spazzcore.


That's pretty bad

but 'Fraggle' was the worst genre name in my opinion!


post-disco *is* a genre

Check out some of the "disco not disco" series for a start.

You've also got yer post-grunge, post-bop, post-punk and post-hardcore, and if we're going away from pop, post-minimalism. Post-romantic as well, but anyone who tries to say that is usually stifled by their own sphincter...


i think

you have misunderstood the term post when used to describe in an artistic sense. it doesnt mean 'after' as it would used in another context but means that it goes against what ever is being described as 'post'. (tis the best description i can give without going overly complicated) for example post-rock would mean it goes against everything (or some things) that rock was defined to be in its original sense, no choruses, no verses, no set song structure, out of place instruments, quiet and chilled rather than loud and rocking etc thesse are many things (and theres a whole lot more) that could take place in a post rock band
i hate the 'post' tag anyway, people just fling it round willy nilly now its kinda lost its original meaning and probably means something totally different now


This attitude is moronic,

if you're serious about it.


yeah i agree, that is rubbish man

absolute rubbish. post is used as 'after' and thats that, post punk, post hardcore, post rock.


i think youll find

tohereknowswhen wasnt posting a reply to my post, or if he/she was they replyed to the wrong post and not mine. i wish people would get the idea of how these boards work. and in response anyway i stand by what i said , but im not arguing about it, im sick of making myself look like a nob on the internet getting involved in heated arguments


post-rock

was the dominant form of experimental rock during the '90s, a loose movement that drew from greatly varied influences and nearly always combined standard rock instrumentation with electronics. Post-rock brought together a host of mostly experimental genres -- Kraut-rock, ambient, prog-rock, space rock, math rock, tape music, minimalist classical, British IDM, jazz (both avant-garde and cool), and dub reggae, to name the most prevalent -- with results that were largely based in rock, but didn't rock per se. Post-rock was hypnotic and often droning (especially the guitar-oriented bands), and the brighter-sounding groups were still cool and cerebral -- overall, the antithesis of rock's visceral power. In fact, post-rock was something of a reaction against rock, particularly the mainstream's co-opting of alternative rock; much post-rock was united by a sense that rock & roll had lost its capacity for real rebellion, that it would never break away from tired formulas or empty, macho posturing. Thus, post-rock rejected (or subverted) any elements it associated with rock tradition. It was far more concerned with pure sound and texture than melodic hooks or song structure; it was also usually instrumental, and if it did employ vocals, they were often incidental to the overall effect. The musical foundation for post-rock crystallized in 1991, with the release of two very different landmarks: Talk Talk's Laughing Stock and Slint's Spiderland. Laughing Stock was the culmination of Talk Talk's move away from synth-pop toward a moody, delicate fusion of ambient, jazz, and minimalist chamber music; Spiderland, meanwhile, was full of deliberate, bass-driven grooves, mumbled poetry, oblique structures, and extreme volume shifts. While those two albums would influence many future post-rock bands, the term itself didn't appear until critic Simon Reynolds coined it as a way to describe the Talk Talk-inspired ambient experiments of Bark Psychosis. The term was later applied to everything from unclassifiable iconoclasts (Gastr del Sol, Cul de Sac, Main) to more tuneful indie-rock experimenters like Stereolab, Laika, and the Sea and Cake (not to mention a raft of Slint imitators). Post-rock came into its own as a recognizable trend with the Chicago band Tortoise's second album, 1996's Millions Now Living Will Never Die, perhaps the farthest-reaching fusion of post-rock's myriad touchstones. Suddenly there was a way for critics to classify artists as diverse as Labradford, Trans Am, Ui, Flying Saucer Attack, Mogwai, Jim O'Rourke, and their predecessors (though most hated the label). Post-rock quickly became an accepted, challenging cousin of indie rock, centered around the Thrill Jockey, Kranky, Drag City, and Too Pure labels. Ironically, by the end of the decade, post-rock had itself acquired a reputation for sameness; some found the style's dispassionate intellectuality boring, while others felt that its formerly radical fusions had become predictable, partly because many artists were offering only slight variations on their original ideas. However, even as the backlash set in, a newer wave of bands (the Dirty Three, Rachel's, Godspeed You Black Emperor!, Sigur Rós) gained wider recognition for their distinctive sounds, suggesting that the style wasn't exhausted after all.


And thus it came to pass...

for there was a band called squirrel bait. And they played rock. And they saw that it was good.

And squirrel bait begat Slint who played post rock. And they saw that it was good.

And God said unto all the bands of the earth 'listen to track 5 on Spiderland where there's no vocals and it all builds up a bit - sounds good eh?' and the bands all heard that it was good.

And God made these bands fruitful and multiply and try out over-long and obscure album names. And it was all good.


www.thesilentballet.com

forum will help.

Or try
http://forpeoplewhocantread.blogspot.com/2007/08/post-rock-is-one-of-most-contentious.html

Pretty good article, similar to the one on here.


"post-core"

genre discussions make me LOLZ

http://www.myspace.com/letourenemiesbeware


Thanks

This has helped me out alot!


After Youth Movies yesterday

Someone I was with commented taht they were Post-rock, I would disagree but agree at the same time.


Isnt it Youthmovies, one word, not two?

I wouldn't say they were post-rock either probabaly mathy-prog-punk, from their earlier stuff at least, I haven't heard their new album.


do i care how many words it is?

no (I'm lying, I do and I now feel bad). Glad to see that people agree with me and I can now go and laugh at that arty "I know everything ever" boy.


youthmovies are...

the realisation that all other music isn't as good as they are :)


Absolutely!

Not!


Post rock

Its not really a genre though is it?

Like post-punk isn't really a genre, more of a movement.
Post is after, the idea that a band was making post-rock was originally to describe what a departure from what was normally presented as rock the music was.

As a description of a genre its too general, although in many minds it is the loud quiet thing.

Many bands are "post" in that they are moving away from what went before or constructing something new from pieces they find, this I like. I don't think they would like to be tarred with post-rock brush as it has become a meaningless/hackneyed term.


this is pretty much the problem

post-rock as a descriptive term means absolutely nothing. It was used to symbolise a particular movement happening during the 90s, although a lot of the main components had very few similarities. Stuff like Tortoise is a long way away from Slint (in the same way that Can is a long way away from Amon Duul c.f. Krautrock) but the general signifier for post-rock has somehow become the quiet-loud dynamic (in the same way that the motorik beat has become the main signifier for Krautrock, although it was limited to only a few bands)

But, the quiet-loud dynamic has been happening for a lot longer than the idea of post-rock has been about. Talk Talk did a similiar thing to it and are quoted as the progenitors, but they were working mainly in the realms of avant-garde and ambient classical with shades of pop/rock. And so the true post-rock mothers are all those classical guys who worked out the dynamics of music etc.

Basically, post-rock has just become a term to describe "wanky instrumental rock" amongst lazy journos for a while. It means nothing, and the bands who try to stick to the rigid unwritten rules of post-rock are uniformly boring po-faced wankers