Twenty years on from the baggy ‘Madchester’ scene, 24-hour party people and the endless shenanigans of being one of the all-night drug-prowling wolves in a city that never slept, my hometown of Manchester is finally waking up again.
For sure there have been some great moments in the interim. You can’t get past the Doves, Elbow and I Am Kloot et cetera, but now there suddenly seems to be a buzz across the whole city.
The city centre is four times bigger than it was in the baggy days, and ten times busier. Where there were once a motley crew of drug fiends you get hen parties, poncey bars are invading once feral back streets and the warehouses that were once full of dead pigeons and all-night raves are now expensive flats, but somehow there is still music - loads of it.
Every time I go out I’m bombarded with great CDs of new bands and get to see classic gigs. The city is full of bands, the rehearsal rooms are overflowing and there are already bands breaking out.
The Courteeners are already through and revelling in their own controversy. Frontman Liam Frey doesn’t back down from a good old-fashioned Manc word scrap and spits his was through interviews like Noel Gallagher or Mark E. Smith, spleen is his middle name and he doesn’t mind winding people up with his invective. Good job he can back it up with tunes and next week’s sold out show at the 1,400 capacity Ritz is proof proper that Frey and his band have the backing of the people. The debut album will be out next year and already Frey is winding people up by claiming it will be as good as Oasis or the Roses debuts- bizarrely some people are up in arms at these claims- are these the same people who doubted the Roses and Oasis when they said the same things just before their debuts were released?
(MySpace)
Just behind The Courteeners at the moment there is whole host of bands lining up. Twisted Wheel have a tight sinewy sound that takes up from where the Libertines and Artic Monkeys left off and skews it with a Manc attitude and a curiously Johnny Cash-style stripped-down engine room of rock n roll. They write brilliant songs and have a taut passion that has just landed them one of those record deals that seems to get bigger by the day. Don’t let the money put you off: this is a brilliant young band who fully deserve their break, and their gig at October’s In The City was one of the highlights of the annual conference. They packed the room with a youth crew, proving that they are not some no-mark northern quarter band with trendy mates but The Real Deal. Twisted Wheel are gonna be massive – there can be no doubt about that.
(MySpace)
Danny McNamara from Embrace has been putting on some great new band bills at his Aftershow night at Sankeys Soap. Every Thursday night he finds five more great new bands to celebrate this sudden burst of electricity round the region’s rehearsal rooms. It’s all very altruistic from the Embrace man, putting his money where his mouth is and supporting the up and coming.
It was down there that I saw the Paris Riots, whose rock ‘n’ roll is as sloppy as the prime time Stones- you know- the right kind of sloppy, the slightly off kilter funk that makes great rock n roll great, they also have a charismatic frontman and fistful of top tunes, anthems in the waiting and you got to admit that Paris Riots is a killer name for a band.
(MySpace)
The old guard haven’t been found wanting, though. Last week I Am Kloot filmed a great show for local TV station Channel M, where the band were caught recording several songs at a studio in Stockport. They were loose and the stark confessional nature of their songs was captured perfectly. The show is still up on Channel M’s website (link) and is well worth checking out. Kloot are at the top of their powers and played two sold out nights at the university- they should be a national treasure by now.
(MySpace)
The Sex Pistols finally made it back to Manchester after 30 years. The four gigs they played in the city in 1976 have gone down in local lore as key events in the formation of the city’s music scene, with their Free Trade Hall gigs often mooted as the catalytic point at which the city’s punk scene kicked off, and their two dates on the Anarchy tour were two of the only shows that were allowed to go ahead on that momentous tour. They changed a lot of lives and seemed to change more in Manchester, the second city of punk, than anywhere.
Thirty years is a very long time in rock ‘n’ roll, and of course the Sex Pistols arrive at the sold-out 20,000 capacity MEN Arena meaning very little of what they meant in those heady mid-‘70s days. The reviews were mediocre but they were missing the point: The Sex Pistols were stunning. In 2007 they are merely a brilliant rock ‘n’ roll band with enough caustic bile and sheer power to justify their existence. They stormed the Arena with a celebration of the one thing that they never get any credit for: their sheer power as a rock band. Cook and Jones are power chord machines and Rotten was injecting the songs with the venom and soul power necessary to make them work. Don’t believe the anti-hype, the band were killer! And the Arena gig also featured the biggest mosh pit I’ve ever seen.
A few days later another band that are having problems with press, Babyshambles, played the same place and this time it was only a third full. But this didn’t stop the band from delivering a great gig. There is some debate as to whether Pete Doherty is any good without the props of drugs, but this whole drug debate is deathly dull. I don’t give a fuck about what drugs he takes. That’s his problem, why are the tabloids so obsessed with his chemical intake? If you wanna see junkies I can round up 20 smack heads in five minutes – it’s a miserable, shitty drug.
Let’s get to what we are really interested in here – the music. The Babyshambles show is brilliant, the songs are great and the band is very tight; the whole performance is well worked out from the Steptoe theme as its intro to the World War III backdrops and matchbox stage props – it looks like the seedy set from some mid-‘50s sitcom, a homage to Doherty’s favourite comedian Tony Hancock, and adds to the intimacy of the spectacle. It’s a great night and underlines the special talent of Doherty, the edgy songs that just won’t collapse and the street poetry of the lyrics. Doherty delivers with a brilliant wonky charm in a city that has been a big influence on his muse.
(MySpace)
After the gig we wander back through the freezing streets of the northern quarter and note how many kids are wandering around carrying guitars, the next generation dreaming and the next generation of Manchester rock ‘n’ roll already carving out its own new legend.
Sex Pistols photograph borrowed from RollingStone.com
As far as I'm concerned
These bands are not what the music scene in Manchester is about.
name me some other
manchester bands who you have seen in the last month or so then.
the courteneers, twisted wheel and paris riots are all fantastic un-pretentious rock n roll bands and are bands that manchester should be proud of.
no mention of the whip?
)=
Cats In Paris
Planet Earth
Magic Arm
Burnst
all much better than these Neanderthals.
(especially the first two)
Oh and
not that I've seen them live, but The Search Map are also a good example of a much better Manchester band.
Kong
are the best thing in Manchester
I disagree
Though still an improvement on the bands in this article.
Cats in Paris
are also ace but kong make me happy
Rock and Roll...
Conveyor line more like ;)
.
pablo's finest hour are pretty good
but im slightly bias seeing as its my brothers band
but they deserve a bit more recognition
sir yes sir
are also pretty good but i think theyve moved to Laandaan
i'm sorry but
you've managed to completely miss out EVERY good band in Manchester, that's quite a feat. People don't want the standard indie fayre that they've seen repeated here over and over again for years. The last thing the city needs is another bunch of half-talented geezers who walk like monkeys, Manchester's beyond that, surely?
Go to any of the clubnights around Manchester (and there are a few, think i have a list of about 60) and you'll see new, exciting, unique artists and not these 'Aaaaaare Kid' nobodies. Go into Piccadilly Records, or any bar in town and ask the kids what they're listening to, i promise you now it won't be Paris Riots or Twisted Wheel.
Do yourselves a favour, investigate the following instead:
Air Cav
Autokat
Burnst
Cats In Paris
Denis Jones
Generallimos
Gideon Conn
Headlines
It's A Buffalo
Jim Noir
Julian Donkey-Boy
Kev Fox
LA Pals
Liam Frost
Magic Arm
Maudite Dance
Modernaire
Nomad Jones
Performance
Peterloo Massacre
Polytechnic
Sir Yes Sir
Sparky Deathcap
SR Gents
Starless & Bible Black
Stickboy
Superkings
The Answering Machine
The Maple State
The Ting Tings
The Whip
Vile Vile Creatures
Warm Widow
Suprise, suprise...
All the bands mentioned in that article are John Robbs mates.
And if you are reading this Jonny boy - hows pimping The Courteeners outside of Manchester going?
Having some trouble with that maybe?
yup
if anything the 'buzz' around Manchester is everyone realising that they don't have to put up with shit samey music anymore.
don't get me wrong, i don't think the courteeners are a bad group, but why does everything always have to involve the stone roses and oasis, they made two good records between them, and the last of those was nearly a hundred and fifty years ago.
"why does everything always have to involve the stone roses and oasis"
manchesters own fucking self obsession with its past.
I feel like shaking some people round here and screaming "move on!" in their face.
Twisted Wheel
will be punching above their weight if they become the Northern Uproar of this generation.
I know nothing of the other bands you mentioned but the way you described them makes me glad I've avoided them.
Modernaire
aren't very good. they're trying to be the pipettes with the whole good looking girls but no tunes to back it up. air cav are one of my favourite live bands in manc at the moment.
the ting tings are going to disappear as quickly as when they came along.
sir yes sir < pavement.
Still seems
Like you have barely touched the surface of the City. I'll agree that I think the Ting Tings will burn out as fast as they sparked up, but I've got a lot of time for Modernaire. They have witty and quite bitting lyrics and are making enjoyable electropop.
However, where are The Answering Machine? Best pop band around Manchester and they are getting better with every show they play at the moment. Since bringing in Ben on drums that band seem to have changed their sound with every show. I know that they are experimenting with more Broken Social Scene type stuff in the studio at the moment, which will only enhance their sound more.
Similarly, Air Cav. Rightly described on this here website as a mini Arcade Fire, I was amongst a number of folks who travelled to the continent to see them rip up Paris. That band must be on the verge of a break through.
Whilst I'll admit that they are two bands who I have worked with and consider friends, there are a host of other folks out there making great noises. Gideon Conn is a star waiting to happen. Laymar sound like nobody else in town and are utterly captivating. Tim and Sam Tim and the Sam Band with Tim and Sam's folkyorchestra are beautiful, and are rightly starting to get noticed by the media and other folks in and around town.
If Twisted Wheel and The Courteeners are the best that this city has it is a pretty damning verdict on other people being far more creative in Manchester.
i echo all of this
popcult=legends.
sorry for being a dick
but tim and sams band name has put me right off.
i just think sometimes on this board people try and be too 'indie'. twisted wheel and the courteneers are probably going to get quite big and manchester should be proud of that, as well as producing bands who may be deemed to make better music.
and yes, the answering machine are awesome, i'll be at joshua brooks on saturday for that one.
oh
and i do bum popular culture, the compilation you put out earlier this year rocks my socks.
very kind
of you to offer such kind words. Glad you enjoyed the CD Mr Robb, good to see repected figures around town gave it a listen.
One further comment on this one, why does it matter that Sir Yes Sir aren't as good as Pavement? Few are, even Malkmus' solo stuff struggles to compete. I know that I'd rather listen to someone who is trying to ape Pavement than copying Northern Uproar.
Modernaire
have some superb songs, are your ears working laddie?
No
I honestly don't rate them at all, it just seems like they're riding a wave of what's fashionable at the moment.
fashionable
Yeah, choral pop songs about mythical greek creatures are really "in" at the moment. We stole the idea from The Courteeners.
hey ho!
wrong!
I saw them last week and they were brilliant.
I remember when the stone roses came out of manchester and the indie snobs were whining then about bands we have all forgotten about!
this is a very strange article
And badly written
No suprises there tho.
tho... is a spelling mistake!
badly written letter!
love,
Kate
don't spoil it..
I lived in manchester for 3 years, the first year was great due to the fact that there was so much live music readily available almost 24/7..
2nd year I found myself getting involved in the cities unsigned scene working with bands through gigs etc..
3rd year and I realise that there are a small collective of journalists, 45 year old balding djs with novelty surnames, and popstars who where never really that popular and biggest hit was penned by there mate Chris, this collective who insist on predictively name dropping the bands that they want to hang out with and pretend to be young again!
The Courteeners have done well, but to say that they are at the forefront of manchesters music is a little boring. They Sold Out The Ritz, good on'em.. but isn't that what we'd expect from a signed band anyway?
Ref. the initial post: If Liam is a frontman legend in the making, at least spell his name right.. (FRAY not FREY)...even I know that and I'm not the bloke licking his musical bum.
There are some fantastic bands out and about in manchester (infact nationwide) at the moment who just don't seem to get the recognition they deserve due to this lame matey matey approach within the industry!
Oooooohhhhh Rant over.
I saw the courteeners
play with the headlines at the night n' day. they had replaced blood red shoes who had cancelled due to illness. I was bitterly dissapointed about it at the time. but then after the gig i realised that my disappointed should in fact be anger and fury that someone actually thought the courteeners were worthy of replacing the blood red shoes. Not that the blood red shoes are the best thing since sliced bread, more to do with the fact courteeners are f**king awful, they made my ears bleed. The Headlines were far better, and they are no better than alright!!? this article has completely missed the point, or at least the point has completely missed me.
I think these monsters are from in and around the manchester area, they're far better than any of the tosh aforementioned!!! To be honest although lots of good bands come to manchester to play the bigger venues, there aren't actually that many good bands knocking about that are actually from manchester, especially when you compare it to london and even leeds!I mean who the hell are the whiskey cats? urgh!
There's loads of bigger bands than the Courtinas
totally right mr Ejamesb!
I was expecting a list of cool bands that play in the Northern Quarter like your cutting edge self.
What about
Carcrash International,
the Fuzzy's
Elvis Blink
the Magic Carpet Band
Munch My Liver
Typewriter
Pimp Xerox
Autumn Romance
Walking Sideways
Pet Crab
and The Total Onion?
all these bands are bigger than the Courteeners and no amount of hype by journalists can deny this fact.
John Robb on DiS!
Ace!
I like John, but.....
I honestly think that most of the people who have commented on here have got their finger more on the pulse than John has. Especially the 'underground' scene.
I work at a venue, my band (mentioned above somewhere - thanks popcult), play penty of gigs in Manchester, I put on about two gigs a month and on my days off I go and see live music in Manchester (and Leeds) and I can honestly say I never see JR at any of the venues I go to.
Thats because he is too busy recording
"remember the 80's / 90's!"
shows down in London, Caj.
Or in Big Hands, either way I agree - the man is fucking clueless to whats actually going on in this town.
ugh! smelly indie nerd!
the stench of bitterness is all over these pissy little missives. EJamesB is the troll that knows whats going on! and cried like a baby when someone forgets to mention his hugely popular musical projects in their articles.
I've just read John Robb's piece and I don't think it claims to be alist of bands....I'm still laughing at the buffoon who has written alist of bands that no-one gives a toss about apart from 16 spotty web weirds.
But its EJamesB who seems to be the bitterest of them all.
Yes
I am bitter enough to spend 3 minutes creating several profiles on Drowned in Sound to deflect comments about myself.
Oh hang, no...
And you know what...
Its amazing I keep hearing this
"..is bitter cos he's not getting the attention" nonsense. Its just deflection.
I'm just sick of a certian journalist dirtying Manchesters good name with shit bands whilst trying to get himself more work.
Give up Johnny, your days of being "on the pulse" in Manchester and now long gone, and I sometimes get the feeling you were just a bandwagon jumper anyway.
Frankly those "indie snobs" that actually make up core audiences in Manchesters real music scene think you are becoming a bit of a sad joke with all this Courteneers knob sucking of yours.
Time has come to look to the future, not to drag us back to the late eighties.
Why not embrace the likes of Air Cav, Modenaire, The Search Map, Band(ism), Say and The Marder (and of course my good self!) rather than backing those who sound like what your percieved "Manchester rock and roll"?
erm...
who would you say the better bands in manchester are at the minute then?
(one's that know four chords and over only please)
I agree!
Edward James Bass is whats going on in Manchester.
legions of hip kids are digging the sounds of the king of neo nazi indie!
Awww
Haf I ubset swome pwor darlings feelins?
Now, now - go back to Big Hands and cry into you fucking pint, cock-end.
I see him at every gig I ever go to,
I see him at every gig I ever go to, and thats a lot!
.....
(Of Couteneers gigs)
also
shouldn't it be "Rock n Roll Missives from The Manchester Frontline."
PERHAPS?
john robb was on local tele before
talking about the jam. hmmmmm. he slipped in all the usual names, of course - roses, oasis, acme shit band.
yeah!
when talking about the Jam he should have mentioned the followimng....Air Cav
Autokat
Burnst
Cats In Paris
Denis Jones
Generallimos
Gideon Conn
Headlines
Magic Arm
Maudite Dance
Modernaire
because these are the bands that 'the kids' are talking about!
these bands are the big names in Manchester! yeah!
yur list is wonky
Just got in from seeing Buddha's vest, the Killmeat and Perspex Toothbrush. Great gig. Sureley Robb could have mentioned at least one these bands on TV when talking about The Jam.
what a dick
sorry but you're just a bit of a sponge. they were two different posts, one about who i think are the better local bands, and one about john robb doing an interview on tv about something unrelated. don't get the hump because people think your band aren't very good, just get on with it. if the people on here are such an irrelevent bunch of idiots then why do you care what they think?
Yeah
That man is just so fucking punk rock, I mean "smash the system man - once I've finished my 30 second vox pop about Prodigy's "Firestarter" - of course!"
These...
Truly the wonders of having grands upon grands of excellent, influential PR on your side, dont hate the bands for that its the way of the business...
Whilst we are chucking bands in no mention of The Deodates...ok technically from Salford but any band that can be described as 'wondrous' and
'life changing' as well as 'annoying' and 'could cause the world of indie to collapse' is worth a listen! Rather than drifiting in a 'not-really-arsed-kinda-way'
Just a thought!
xxx
another thing
another thing...whilst evreyone is whining there is the fact that Manchester's grass roots live scene is pap, people need to vote with their feet and get down to shows
but to be honest most people dont give a toss about a multitide of band nights...FNF, Buff Bang Pow et al all provide great lineups (FNF is even free for christs sake) but audience numbers are laughable.
There is a cult of cuntish indifference, you see it amongst bands who dont give a toss about any other bands, in the audience with the people who come to see their mates bands or whatever leaving as soon as they have played.
If this continues then no band will ever pick up new fans!
So it is bands like Twisted Wheel and The Courteeners who have the investment and influential backing that do well, people could fight back by not going to see them and by making up their own minds to support the other bands in their droves, but the fact is they dont.
There are a lot of bands and people just cant be arsed to weed out the diamonds from the shite, so they let the press do it for them.
Shame.
Agreed..
Been pretty annoyed about the lack of support bands in this town give each other, we're trying to encourage against this with The Anti-scene nights but it feels like an uphill struggle.
When you see a bands crowd leave the floor when they have finished, only to be replaced by the next bands - you have to ask yourself if we have a serious fucking problem with the way we treat live bands these days.
If there are any bands out there in Manchester reading this (and I know that this is the case) perhaps think about enthusing about the bands your supporting or who are supporting you to your fans - it makes all the difference.
Well...
That's an ongoing issue when bands are in the process of getting a following, they only drag down friends who've never seen 'em play and probably don't go to many gigs anyway.
We've been putting on nights in manchester for about 6 months now and have had some great nights (and some not so great ones as well).
There are some astonishingly great bands around in Manc. at the moment. Of those already mentioned Cats in paris are well worth checking out. But also...cannot believe that Hot Bone haven't been mentioned in this yet! What an incredible live act they are!
Also
Monster Island
Benway Miasma
Small Car Goes fast
Kong (already mentioned but they are awesome)
Stray Dog Cafe
Go Lebanon
The Barbarians (more experience than trad. band but definitely quite amazing)
Mechagodzilla
It should be no surprise that the average dross is going to be what gets applauded by the mainstream but I also feel that, compared to say Liverpool or Leeds, that it's much harder to get the average Manc. gig-goer to see a band they haven't heard before.
I also think that that there are some amazing promoters in manc. at the moment who deserve to be recognised.
For instance
Wot God Forgot
Fiction non-Fiction
Anti-scene
Bad Uncle Music
Lamb and Wolf
Tears on the Golf Course
all these people are regularly investing their own cash in creating shows that will blow your socks off and deserve some credit in what is fast becoming a great scene...ButI still think there's a lot of work to do.
and
Cos of MySpace et al people dont want/need to actually leave the house to check out a band anymore..you can just sit on your arse and click through twenty bands in an hour, its rubbish and MySpace can go fuck itself. yes its useful if you want to hear the bands but christ, time was you had to be a shithot live act to get recognition, now all you need is a myspace page and a mass adder and before you know it no one gives a fuck anymore...meh.
It has just lowered overall quality control so when 2000 bands all send 'come to this event' or 'buy this' the 2 great bands out of that 2000 get washed over.
I say get the fuck off our PCs (completely ironic as of this moment) and start watching live bands again. The shite will be found out and the decent stuff will rise up off live rep, not how many fucking plays they have had today.
exactly. i have a list actually, there're probably more but i know of sixty or so...
http://www.myspace.com/badunclemusic
http://www.myspace.com/barbedwirekissesisbetter
http://www.myspace.com/berlinlive
http://www.myspace.com/bigsexylandclub
http://www.myspace.com/blackdogfolkacoustic
http://www.myspace.com/bootlestreetcircus
http://www.myspace.com/bringonthedancinghorsesuk
http://www.myspace.com/buskmanchester
http://www.myspace.com/clubacrylic
http://www.myspace.com/clubclique
http://www.myspace.com/clubfandangomanchester
http://www.myspace.com/clubpandapanda
http://www.myspace.com/clubpowwow
http://www.myspace.com/contortyourself
http://www.myspace.com/corruptkidsdance
http://www.myspace.com/cursivekulture
http://www.myspace.com/designermagazine
http://www.myspace.com/dotdashmanchester
http://www.myspace.com/elahvalley
http://www.myspace.com/fastnbulbus
http://www.myspace.com/fictionnonfiction
http://www.myspace.com/friendsofminelive
http://www.myspace.com/ggkbsp
http://www.myspace.com/guestlistmusic
http://www.myspace.com/gypsykings
http://www.myspace.com/highvoltageuk
http://www.myspace.com/infrequentdelinquent
http://www.myspace.com/investinproperty
http://www.myspace.com/jamboreemanchester
http://www.myspace.com/keysmoneylipstick
http://www.myspace.com/lambandwolf
http://www.myspace.com/letyourbackboneslip
http://www.myspace.com/lostandfoundlive
http://www.myspace.com/lovelessmanchester
http://www.myspace.com/onestepmore
http://www.myspace.com/othersoundssoc
http://www.myspace.com/paperscissorsglue
http://www.myspace.com/pineapplefolkmusic
http://www.myspace.com/prostitutespolicemen
http://www.myspace.com/reddeerclub
http://www.myspace.com/revolverclubnight
http://www.myspace.com/sameteensmanchester
http://www.myspace.com/schizophreniadisco
http://www.myspace.com/seekanddestroymanchester
http://www.myspace.com/sexwithrobotsmcr
http://www.myspace.com/shakemanchester
http://www.myspace.com/songsforthebathtub
http://www.myspace.com/speechlesswithsound
http://www.myspace.com/stopmakingsensenight
http://www.myspace.com/strutmanchester
http://www.myspace.com/swingsandroundabouts44
http://www.myspace.com/tearsonthegolfcourse
http://www.myspace.com/theaftershow
http://www.myspace.com/touchsick
http://www.myspace.com/trampclub
http://www.myspace.com/ubiknight
http://www.myspace.com/uptheracket
http://www.myspace.com/warehouseproject
http://www.myspace.com/whileotherbandsparkvans
http://www.myspace.com/worththewax