Whilst it has become the general consensus on this message board that the New Rave movement is a flimsy marketing construct created by the NME, bears no relation to original Rave culture, and does not exist in the real world. I would suggest that whilst it may have begun in this form, it has in fact taken on a life of its own and become an actual musical/cultural movement.
1. Whilst I concede that many of the many of the bands going under the New Rave banner have little in common with rave music, other than the fact that one is able to dance to it, there is some links. Klaxons in particular have expressed nostalgia for rave music, their lyrics are filled with references to rave culture (Golden Skans), they have covered songs associated with rave (The Bouncer) and appropriated, in part, its musical style, such as the distinctive keyboard on Atlantis to Interzone. Due to the length of time since rave, it does not seem unreasonable that other young bands will have the influence of rave since it is the music they grew up with. Rave is having a greater bearing on contemporary music than it ever had before.
2. There has been a shift recently in the locations gigs and clubnights have been held. Whilst new rave may not be as rurally based as its older sibling, it has certainly embraced unorthodox venues with illegal and semi-legal parties being held in old textiles mills and warehouses and some bands such as Shitdisco and Foals playing at peoples' house parties. I would say that this attitude to gigging reflects the turn-up-and-dance attitude of rave.
3. There has recently been a resurgence in interest in rave culture, due no doubt, partly to the nostalgia of those who experienced it first time around and the curiosity of those that did not. Several major national newspapers have run articles on both Rave and New Rave, showing a clear public interest in the culture and music.
4. Catwalk, street and highstreet fashion have all recently show the influence of rave in the clothing on display. Dayglo colours and mismatched styles and patterns seem to be making a return as they did in the heady days of Rave.
I would argue that whilst New Rave may have begun as an artificial and cynical marketing construct, the fact that it has been embraced by many people (as demonstrated in points 1-4) and declared to be existent, along with the fact that the culture and attitudes of those involved reflects that of Rave then New Rave really does exist at street level (rather than in the offices of the New Musical Express) and is an exciting innovation and movement in popular culture.
Yes!
or
london is full of style magazines made my rich losers with no sense, dress or otherwise.
they create shite, and the nme markets it to the suburbs, who suck it up because they're bored.
And is there anything wrong with that
If it's what the kids want?
Ps. sorry for the spelling mistakes!
yes
if it involves wearing shellsuits
Whats Rave About It?
It doesn't sound anything like old rave. Also, rave has existed and continues to exist in various forms since it's conception in the late 80s. None of these various forms sound anything like Klaxons. As far as I can make out, the only similarities between rave and The Klaxons are glowsticks and drugs. But seriously, if you're going to buy glowsticks and drugs, why would you waste them on The Klaxons? Nah, you'd be much better off going proper hardcore raving.
the drugs aren't evewn really there though are they?
otherwise the tabloids would be all over it.
If NME
aren't willing to take risks regarding what bands they cover anymore, then they're hardly going to support the illegal rave culture that the original rave scene thrived on.
Can you imagine them letting Klaxons straddle a giant E like Shaun Ryder did? They've got a lot of criticism for glamourising Pete Doherty (not that anyone really listened to it) so i doubt they'd go pro-drugs any more than they'd go pro-plus.
Doncaster has 2 new rave nights
ergo it's shit.
nu rave
raves = people on ecstacy. everyone. end of genre traits. oh yeah, some decks and a pa..new rave is bollox but will probably be massive coz anything is massive if you keep saying it enough.
If you beamed the Klaxons back in time, to a rave, they'd get beaten to death and replaced with a dj:)
Your Arguement is Flawed
"Whilst new rave may have started as an artificial and cynical marketing construct, the fact is that it has been embraced by many people and declared to be existent..." yada yada
Its a made up genre, mainly by NME.
As every media person knows, music needs to be classified by a genre. Now people are classifying any dance related music as new rave. Its a lazy lazy mans descripter that doesnt relate to the actual music.
The "new rave culture" is like anything, some cunts in shoreditch start something, the sheep need to follow it, it becomes popular culture, people get bored, shoreditch change so they're not like popular culture and the cycle continues
1 is completely wrong
given that most of these bands are in the 20-25 age range, they would have been no older than 15/16 at max at the time of rave culture, and hence no experience of it in the true sense of the phrase. they wouldnt have picked up the influence. its not nostalgia, but tagging an old (and loved?) name onto something new to give it more authenticity.
^^^Totally Agree
Its jumping on a bandwagon
just like any other nme made genre
take an old genre, add a word or two at the start or end, and whammo, you got a new genre for the kiddies to lap up
so what?
new rave breaking out from its origins isnt that amazing. after all the hype this rave culture was a self-fulfilling prophecy. 'build it up and they will come' if you like. anything which the nme promotes so heavily is gonna have people rushing to so they can be part of the scene.
basically, the actual music its based on is hardly pushing any pop culture boundaries. with the popularity of indie clubs in recent years, 'danceable' indie rock has been a part of pop music for ages, well before nme started touting the 'new rave' tag about.
a couple of years ago we had 'dance-punk' with lcd soundsystem and !!! etc. 'new rave' is basically a natural progression. so it has a more distinctive style of fashion and a more easily definable sound. doesnt mean its a brand new movement.
natural progression
its not a progression at all. The likes of The Rapture, !!!, LCD et al doing it years ago is the same as SpankRock and Klaxons now (even through Rapture and !!! return with second and third albums respectivly last year and this).
The progression hasnt happened. What has is NME trying to reinvigorate dance music that isnt put together by computers by giving it a new name.
erm
you cant really compare spank rock to klaxons or 'new rave'. they make electro-tinged hip hop which has been going on and off since the 80s. they have pretty much nothing to do with 'danceable indie'.
klaxons are vaguely related to !!! and lcd in that they have dance beats. id go so far as to say klaxons are far less danceworthy than those two. they are just more marketable as dance because of this movement.
that is the progression. marketability. 'new rave' is a more marketable tag because of raves associations with fashion and culture
Even if you had any really valid points
it still won't stop me from being sick of living in a culture with no new ideas. New Rave (along with New Rock Revolution, New Wave Of New Wave Of New Wave, New Acoustic Movement, Nu Metal and basically every 'scene' of the twenty first century) is just another bout of revivalism in a society too content with nostalgia. What's the Noughties (eurgh) going to be remembered for? Rehashing the twentieth century. Soon we're going to be diluting and echoing all that's come before us so far that we'll soon be listening to silence and water. No Beatles, Stones, Elvis or Clash in 2007, history isn't ours.
But glowsticks Klaxons lol!
yeah
lol, glowsticks, phenomenal,
thats the only good thing, burning them on the fire at Reading whilst watching the klaxons fans die a slow death from third degree burns off my bbq
nice
keiths formula for a "new genre" invented by the evil that is the NME
Take a Genre
Put "New" in front of it
Jackpot
Look out next year
for New Skiffle.
Or was that The Libertines?
wikipedia
it says that the libertines spearheaded the "post punk revival" movement of that time
what post punk revival?
Exactly
Although I am waiting for New Thommo to come along in 10 yeasr time and make the same arguments in a slightly different way
^^new thommo
cannot wait.
i will come back too and rehash my hatred for new rave but on new new rave
lol
the new wave of new rave, due 2019.
^^Genius
if NME is still around, they'll use that, fo sho!
I'm more in anticipation
of Nu Shroomadelicacore, just you wait until next summer!
What will it be
like the 5th summer of love or something?
The Who are playing glasto
Jimmy Page is playing Green Man
you might be on the money there "post"
My response is
1. Klaxons have assimilated aspects of rave culture into their aesthetic yes, but that doesn't make a whole genre.
2. This 'location shift' has been going on forever. Franz Ferdinand were doing semi-legal parties in their 'chateau', The Others had their whole 'guerilla-gigs' thing, The Libertines did houseparty gigs -I'm pretty sure this was going on before these bands as well.
3. Yes there has been an increase in media reflection on rave, but that's just because the people who experienced it first time round are now the generation that writes for major broadsheet newspapers, and every generation tends to believe their music was 'the best'. The 60s, Punk, list goes on.
4. Fashion is constantly cyclical, so mismatched colours was bound to come back in at some point.
Basically, if New Rave does exist, it is not an "exciting innovation and movement in popular culture". It's just a parody of something old, and again highlights our constant lack of genuinely new ideas.
Real meaningfull culture
is about grass roots
I totally posted that before i'd written what i meant to say...
Basically top down culture of the kind the original poster was talking about is always short lived.
New rave..ColourCore
I completely disagree with alot of the anti - new rave statements.
Doncaster has 2 rave nights because primarily the Neon Plastix Run Oi Palloi which amazingly fun. Imagine 500 chavs and indie kids taking lots of drugs and dancing together having fun.
Yes "New Rave" is a silly NME made up name but originally it started in New Cross and was jokingly names ColourCore. And Its stems from the French electro movement of Justice/Kitsune primarily. At the same time, Liars Club in Nottingham has been running 5 years At least. The principal NEW RAVE club outside of London, it has had kaiser chiefs, bloc party, klaxons started there, patrick wolf etc.
Essentially New Rave is more in line with French Electro, a pop offspring if you like. And Thank god. Its just kids out to dance and have fun who are bored of Pete Fucking Doherty and The Others taking drugs and being a miserable sod!
"Imagine 500 chavs and indie kids taking lots of drugs and dancing"
Yep, there goes my lunch.
Sick of The Others? I think their recent 'success' proves that the entire world got sick of them a long time ago. Choose your targets wisely squire.
eeeeurgh.
liars club plug. I dont even wanna get started on any more about new rave. i like some of the bands, not the journalism. thats what i take issue with. more to the point Kaisers, party, wolf arent really within the bounds of that supposed 'genre' are they?
so you (darrenbjohn) are right then.
more to the point.
just think
if there werent any sirens or shouts of 'DJ' at the start of atlantis to interzone none of this would have happened
this brought a funny thought to my head
altern8
hehe...
aktv8!
!
whatever
new grunge is for real
no kaisers etc arnt in the boundries of that genre,..
but thats basically because there is no genre.
Just a bunch of kids making interesting music. (The Kaisers were interesting until they basically started rehashing and living off the same song for three years)
The fact that Wolf is friends with alot of the 'new rave' bands who play in london alot e.g. Late of the pier/klaxons etc. suggests, to me at least, that its just abunch of people having fun and making music that doesnt depend on traditional guitar sounds and has an escapist value.
p.s
yes the NME coverage is terrible.
Dazed and confused/vice are much more in touch and dont rely on making up silly genre names imho
Who cares?
If you genuinely care about people enjoying something, no matter how eventually meaningless it is, you are a dork.
A bonafide dork.
this is quite interesting
i basically agree with monpot though.
rave and new rave: the first time as tragedy, the second as farce?
For a long time
i thought patrick wolf was one of those who only girls like 'because he's hot' but ... i was slightly wrong.
are you saying
that girls only like me because im hot? :s
Give it a name
I kinda dig the Klazons, but fuck these monikers that are slapped on every alleged "new" movement for the sake of comfort.